We'll be eating the poor?
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We'll be eating the poor?
Come on Bruce, this sort of hyperbole achieves nothing - only furthering entrenchment, and making it far more difficult to succeed in any sort of object goal.
But to answer your question, no, of course not. Stop being a wet liberal, you cuck.
We'll be eating the rich.
In seriousness, I am growing increasingly concerned at the state of political discourse in this COUNTRY.
It's OK to question how things are done, people gave their lives in battles much bigger and violent than this as to provide we (the people) the ability to ask questions of those who govern.
I want this country to be the best it can be, and part of achieving that is asking questions about things like food and medical supplies.
It's OK to question how things are done, people gave their lives in battles much bigger and violent than this as to provide we (the people) the ability to ask questions of those who govern.
I want this country to be the best it can be, and part of achieving that is asking questions about things like food and medical supplies.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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The ‘will of the people’ narrative has been pushed that hard, that now they’d have you believe that questioning any aspect of Brexit is somehow treacherous. You’re an enemy of the people and of democracy if you dare to challenge the ideology of the basket case back benchers and their slippery cohorts in the press and beyond.
Only they’ve completely tried to re- write history, no-one campaigned on a no deal Brexit being the way to go, it was deemed on all sides as being an undesired outcome. However, they’ve now decided that people knew they were voting for this, because they know fine we’ll that as soon as they wrote down what their version of a Brexit deal should look like, it all falls apart. As it’s either undesirable or undeliverable, so they’re left with no deal as being the only way they can plough this through without writing a single thing down for it be examined and assessed.
So they’ll continue hiding behind the veil of delivering democracy whilst totally ignoring what democracy truly is. We’re now dealing with a hardcore minority of largely Tory back benchers who’s hatred of the EU is driving an ideology that is now at the point where they’re intending DELIBERATELY inflicting the most damaging exit possible on this country in order to fulfill the goal they’ve had for 30 years.
NilSatisOptimum
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Pertinent point, the no deal scenario was very much part of project fear, and subsequent trade once we had left would be easy, Brexiteers went as far back then to say the easiest in history. Now they yarp on about World Trade Organisation, an organisation that is barley functional as it is, due Trump medling with its funding!
Foot Long Hot Dog
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We’re taking back control of our trade by losing EU trade rules.........by moving to trading via WTO rules.......and those rules include protecting our borders, which means a hard border in Ireland.........which we’re trying to blame the EU for........when do these ridiculous positions become apparent to the average Joe? When we’re sat eating stockpiled Spam?
This is from the Guardian 5 Jan 2017. I've trawled through to find this as I know its the only paper you will read.
Headline: CHIEF ECONOMIST OF THE BANK OF ENGLAND ADMITS ERRORS ON BREXIT.
Andrew Haldane the Bank of England chief economist admitted his profession is in crisis having misjudged the impact of the Brexit vote. (article continues)
This is what Carney apologised for.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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lol, so not Carney and no quote.
You should have just admitted you’d fallen for a right wing rags spun headline in the first place and saved yourself the embarrassment mate.
Note to: Pete Blue, Joey66, Old Blue 2, apologies to any I've forgotten. (Orchard keep posting, great posts).
Why are we bothering trying to justify Brexit to this lot? They are clones of RS supporters who lose and come up with convoluted arguments as to why they won.
Leave won, Remain LOST end of. As far as I am concerned and as they say in Dragons Den, 'I'm out'. Absolutely no point in trying to debate. Byeeeee!
Why are we bothering trying to justify Brexit to this lot? They are clones of RS supporters who lose and come up with convoluted arguments as to why they won.
Leave won, Remain LOST end of. As far as I am concerned and as they say in Dragons Den, 'I'm out'. Absolutely no point in trying to debate. Byeeeee!
I reckon we can disagree without stooping to that level mate.
roydo
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With respect, you dont debate. As that ^^^^ shows. When any potential negative impact is raised, it is dismissed as scare stories by the Remain press/establishment.
When any challenge is made to your view, the same applies. As you say, the UK voted to Leave. Bit too early to say who actually won yet though.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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lol
The flounce off, Methuselah gets called out and screams No Deal, come with me my fellow Brexiteers...hahahaha
Talk about ironic.
Anders_Limpar
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Mate.... I don’t think you’ve trawled very hard. You do realise that’s the same link I posted? The first link and the very first one that comes up on google.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/05/chief-economist-of-bank-of-england-admits-errors
This isn’t Carney talking, there is no apology and this at the end is kind of key: “Has that led us to fundamentally change our view on the fortunes of the economy looking forward over the next several years? Not really”
There is no apology in that article.
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I’ve found it useful to dip into this thread over the last few years, to attempt to not live in a remain bubble, to see why people voted the other way and to possibly try and understand better.
I’m not trying to be argumentative but you must realise how frustrating it is when people just make things up to try and win an argument. Particularly when talking about a referendum that is already muddied by so many lies.
I’ve only started looking at this thread again to be honest, as I think we are inexorably heading toward another referendum and was interested to see how people were feeling about how it was going... I guess this was pretty stupid though, as the people who are still on here arguing 2 years later are pretty entrenched on either side.
But if there is another referendum as I hope, and in order for remain to win this time, as I also hope, some people are going to have to be won over.
The question for remainers is how? It’s particularly difficult when politicians and people tell quite easily provable falsehoods that are then believed.
With Brexit and Trump there has been a shift toward the untruth that I’m sure none of us are happy with. Politics has always at core been about the best personalities and orators - just watch/read Mark Antony’s speach in Shakespeare - so that’s nothing new. However in the past one felt that people couldn’t just get away with telling untruths with no reprercusions. Perhaps I’m being naive, but present times feel worse.
I would love a new referendum in which only the truth was told, on both sides, experts were listened to and people went in with a open mind.
If leave were to win, with the absolute truth being told about what it meant, then I’d be disappointed, I think it was the wrong call, but I’d get on board.
One can be hope.
To be honest, I think our best bet is to drag it out long enough for nature to take its course.
roydo
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Quite. It doesnt take long in here to realise that Leavers are more than happy to concede they "won" cos they told better whoppers in the campaign that the Remain campaign did.
And are delighted that the future of the UK is secure because of that.
Like you, I find that position bewildering.
And are delighted that the future of the UK is secure because of that.
Like you, I find that position bewildering.
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