Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Forums are designed for people to discuss their opinions. Just because others have a different one to yours doesn't mean there is any need to be so dismissive.

I'm going to guess that all of us on both sides are selective in what we say and quote.

As I said, you are selective in what you quote (like all the other Remainers who post on here), and don't address the issues which directly contradict the doom & gloom posted here ad infinitum.

Hence why I put "No point...". Nothing new to say, just the same old same old, cliched phrases and quotes. It's been the same in this thread for just over 2 years now...
 
As I said, you are selective in what you quote (like all the other Remainers who post on here), and don't address the issues which directly contradict the doom & gloom posted here ad infinitum.

Hence why I put "No point...". Nothing new to say, just the same old same old, cliched phrases and quotes. It's been the same in this thread for just over 2 years now...

It has. From both sides.
 
It has. From both sides.

In the main, roydo, the Remain side has been the propagator of the doom & gloom, the Leave side has been continually defending itself, particularly in the earlier months (first 12 - 18 months after 23 June 2016) when slurs like 'racists', 'Little Englanders' and the like were levied at those who voted leave. You know this is true...
 
In the main, roydo, the Remain side has been the propagator of the doom & gloom, the Leave side has been continually defending itself, particularly in the earlier months (first 12 - 18 months after 23 June 2016) when slurs like 'racists', 'Little Englanders' and the like were levied at those who voted leave. You know this is true...

Well Remainers would go on about doom and gloom stuff wouldnt they? So thats a rather odd observation. And if you could point out any posters calling another poster racist, he/she will be dealt with.
 
Well Remainers would go on about doom and gloom stuff wouldnt they? So thats a rather odd observation. And if you could point out any posters calling another poster racist, he/she will be dealt with.

roydo, go look back through this thread to the early months of it following the result. That comment, and others, were all over this thread. Gave up on reporting the posts in the end as nothing whatsoever was done...
 
roydo, go look back through this thread to the early months of it following the result. That comment, and others, were all over this thread. Gave up on reporting the posts in the end as nothing whatsoever was done...

I honest to god dont recall Reported racist posts mate. If it was a direct accusation, instant ban, no question.

If it was an implied expression, as in "Not everyone who voted Out was a racist, but every racist voted Out" sort of thing, different case all together, and context etc would have been looked at.
 

The pound has weakened since Brexit too.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-rate-brexit-vote-worst-quarter-a8426481.html

https://www.expatica.com/nl/finance/Brexit-currency-impact-Brexit-currency-rates_811031.html

"The pound has been consistently on the decline since the results of the referendum became clear on 23 June 2016. An initial sharp drop has been followed by several slumps and a persistent overall decline, leaving GBP to EUR -15 percent than pre-referendum levels and GB to USD and GBP to AUD down -17 percent immediately after the vote."

I have been abroad several times since the vote and been worse off financially in a direct comparison due to a worse exhange rate that came about because of Brexit so that is just one example where Brexit has had a negative actual impact on my own circumstances. If you can find some positive examples on your every day life then i'd be interested to hear them.
 
I honest to god dont recall Reported racist posts mate. If it was a direct accusation, instant ban, no question.

If it was an implied expression, as in "Not everyone who voted Out was a racist, but every racist voted Out" sort of thing, different case all together, and context etc would have been looked at.
He lost his beans when stuff like this was presented;

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/leave-voters-admit-they-are-racist-in-new-research-a3646421.html

They never asked me, what use are polls, what use are experts, why do you expect an economist to know more about the economy than Frank from the Queens Head, blah, blah, blah.

Proper head in the sand stuff.
 
I understand that Roydo, I think the great majority of Remain voters didn’t want to make any kind of change, or as you say ‘not to gamble’, for whatever reason, fear, fear of the unknown, lack of confidence in the U.K. I still do not see it as any kind of gamble, as on whatever basis, we will continue to trade with the EU and we will continue to increase our RoW trade. There may be hiccups, both good and bad (obviously the bad will be blamed on Brexit and the good just ignored), but we will continue to grow and we will be free from the nonsense of the Brussels/Strasbourg United States of Europe.......

The way some leave voters talk about the UK you'd think we were the most powerful country in the world, with the Empire still at our back. There are quite a few examples where leave voters seem to very short sighted.

Take general peace across Europe as an example of the immense progress the formation of the EU has caused for the Region. Since the 2nd World War, countries who have been part of the EU have got along with each other significantly better, with the Germans and Italians being seen as our partners as opposed to our enemy. The fact that all of the main nations in the region (except for Russia) have been closely linked has helped relationships and meant that people across Europe no longer see other European Nations as a threat to them or as their enemies. Once we leave, we will weaken that alliance (not suggesting we will be plunged in to a War) and some feelings of animosity and rivalry will come back, especially if Brexit significantly weakens the UK and EU economically, which wouldn't be too surprising and has been forecast by many. We're the ones who are breaking up that relationship. I can't imagine that those other nations such as France and Germany are going to look at us and feel that same partnership they did previously.

We're choosing to go it alone and to turn our back on the biggest trading bloc in the entire world. Yes we can agree new deals after we leave but at what cost and what does it say to other non-EU nations looking at it with a neutral view? Why would the UK be seen to those nations as being stronger on our own? What do we have that makes us so impressive, or influential on the global scene that would make other non-EU nations see us as a better option for a partnership than a bloc of 27 other nations that includes Germany who have a bigger economy than us, and France who are pretty much level with us?

Remainers are fearful because the choice to leave looks most likely to be a bad decision. Forgetting allegiances, one of the main problems is how complex leaving actually is, and yet this whole decision was based around a simple Yes or No type vote. A Yes or No that was asked to people with little knowledge on the complexities and who don't specialise in trade, immigration issues or economics.

The vote never mentioned the Irish Border, it didn't mention whether we would stay in the Single Market or Customs Union, And yet a lot of people in this country just think they can shout about how the country voted OUT and we can just click our fingers and all these complex issues will be resolved and we will become a prospering nation 'once again'.
 
I’ll grant you that the establishment appear to be doing everything they can to balls it up, but there will be 17.4million very unhappy people if we don’t leave. I reckon a second vote would produce the same result, but if we ever have a second vote because the losers engineered it then we really are finished as a democratic nation, we might just as well stop all elections and let the elite get on with it, a la EU......

Pete, I have it on good authority that 17,399,996 people would gladly change their mind. I've no idea who those four sticklers are, maybe no one bothered to ask them.
 
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