Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

What about the loss of jobs, specifically from the service sector? The loss of international investment?
So much blind optimism.

I suspect so long as the jobs are jobs for toffs then those that voted leave won't care one jot. We could lose the entire city of London for instance, and I doubt they'd care until it came to tot up the tax revenue that we've lost.

Likewise the £3bn black hole that's suddenly opened up in our university research budget. The boffins don't have enough grime on them to be worth caring about.

 

[Matty_j1878]

I don't think it's over personally. If there's a recession, political pressure to reverse will happen. And Scotland will be a massive problem.

Two to three years is a long time in politics; especially when the outright lies are revealed over the next few months.

The change (major) will be over a longer period than 2-3 years IMO, nothing will be immediate.

 

[bizzaro]

Canada has a very different history to Britain and the rest of Europe so I'm not really sure how the comparison really works?

It's also geographically different

And hugely dependent on energy/commodity exports.

There is none. Comparison.

 

[harry]

I don't follow your point here, are you arguing that immigration wasn't a key factor?

Of course there is immigration from outside of the EU, but people have been sold the myth that their immigration fears will be resolved over night by voting Brexit.

No I'm saying using the word racist makes people look stupid.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

So because I didn't know on the spot that 28 countries were in the EU on an on the spot question, researched views about everything and anything else is invalid?

Sound.

No, on the spot you thought there were over 50 countries in the EU so forgive me for being skeptical on your insight into the intricacies of the matter.

Cheer up, your doom and gloom prophecy might never happen.

Canada has a very different history to Britain and the rest of Europe so I'm not really sure how the comparison really works?

The world and Britain didn't start in 1973.

This isn't the end of the world.

The point is - countries can survive and dare I say, flourish outside the EU and it's model - a model that doesn't exist anywhere else in the world - a model that will progressively fall apart. We won't be the last to leave it.

 

[bobbydigital]

I personally know of many construction companies that have gone under in the last 25 years and an awful lot in the last 7 years making thousands redundant. Losing and creating jobs is nothing new and will never stop.

I'm not saying people have never lost jobs before. I'm questioning why you would purposefully do it to yourself just to stop immigration, when in reality there is a very high likelihood you will have to allow freedom of movement in trade concessions anyway?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I hate these experts trying to scare us #projectfear

 

[arminisgod]

No they won't.

But they will cost more and be a lot harder to pay for when you have lost your job and are paying a massive mortgage on a house that is suddenly worth less than the mortgage amount.

Oh wait....

Ha ha What a load of crap

 

[ToffeeTim]

The markets have already recovered inside the first day. Of all the main exchanges the FTSE actually fell the least. The mass hysteria from the remain camp, mainly students who haven't experience the real world yet, is way over the top and hugely unnecessary.

Was a little unsure if I'd voted the correct way yesterday, but feel much happier with my decision today.

 

[Lee Smith]

Some people here are acting as if this country has never seen recessions, job losses, drops in the FTSE value, house prices falling, and companies going into administration, all in recent years, all whilst being part of the EU.

 

[Rob17896]

Unreal.

Right that's it - I'm off...A victory for the Bigoted, ignorant masses of middle England

Only partially. The white working class have been marginalised for years and have been persuaded that it is the fault of inmigrants and the eu. Unfortunately, particularly with the Scottish situation, they have opened the door to years of rule by the half of the tories who really do not give a damn about them.

The damage caused by years of socially unjust right wing government (I include to a certain extent New Labour) has left a large section of our society with nothing. Labour needs to get its act together, get a leader and start working for these people. Farage has skilfully exploited them and the mainstream must include them. That is going to take time and money. If we do not we remain little America. I am knocked for six by the result but then again, I have always been employed and paid OK. We all need a lift sometimes and we must integrate social justice into the agenda and mean it. These people had nothing to lose. GB should be ashamed of that.

 

[arminisgod]

I hate these experts trying to scare us #projectfear

He called us 'folks' and he won't be the next us president

 

[roydo]

a model that doesn't exist anywhere else in the world

You could argue that the USA is a successful example of what the creation of the Euro was an attempt to replicate.

But they ballsed that right up.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This isn't the end of the world.

The point is - countries can survive and dare I say, flourish outside the EU and it's model - a model that doesn't exist anywhere else in the world - a model that will progressively fall apart. We won't be the last to leave it.

Of course it isn't the end of the world, and Britain won't cease to exist, but it will be worse off as a result of this. The clip earlier of Obama talking about negotiating on trade collectively being more efficient, but there are so many other issues that require similar collaboration, whether it's on climate agreements, various regulations around things like driverless cars and blockchain, sharing criminal data and so on. Anything where international collaboration is fundamental, it helps to be at the table, and we've just voted to ostracise ourself from it.

So sure we'll still muddle on, but our global role will be diminished in a big way.

 

[Old Blue 2]

A lot of Brexit voters playing the "how dare you accuse us of being racist" card.

Lets be honest, a lot (not all) of Brexit voters were swayed by the immigration argument, largely down to being ill informed by both sides or the debate (not to mentioned the Murdoch media).

That's not to say every Brexit voter is a massive racist, but it is to say that those with vested interests in leaving used fear of immigration to get their own way.

We're out now, so we'll have to live with it and make the most of it, but that doesn't mean Remain voters can't point out the bleeding obvious regarding the massive role immigration played in this result.

It is incorrect of you to use a broad brush approach to the thoughts of all those who voted 'Out'.

I voted 'Out'. I am not a racist. Fear of immigration played no part in my decision to vote out.

I have posted this before, but even at the risk of being accused of repetition, I will post it again.

I voted in 1975 to join the 'Common Market', ensuring trade agreements went far better with other countries in the Common Market at the time.

I did not vote for Brussels Eurocrats to:
a) Review and overturn legally made decisions of our courts;
b) Impose Regulations which over-rode laws passed by our Parliament
In short, I never signed up to hand over soverign principles to a majority bunch who neither live nor work here.

I was appalled recently when it came out in the media that our Government HAD to seek permission from the Eurocrats in Brussels before any help could be given to the Port Talbot Steelworks. If they said no help could be given by us, then we could do nothing. Is THAT what membership of the EU means?

Does membership of the EU means we had to stand idly by as Ford moved their Transit operations from the UK to Turkey with the aid of an EU loan? Is THAT what membership of the EU means?

Well with regards to the last 2 paragraphs, that's exactly what it means. And those two examples, particularly the movement of jobs out of the UK aided by the EU,sickens me. THAT is why I voted out, because I do not believe the UK should have membership of an organisation that shafts us time and time again. You have to dig deep to find out how the EU militates against us. The information is there, but the popular media does not tell us about it most of the time.

To all of you criers about leaving the EU - wake up and smell the coffee!!!