Current Affairs EU In or Out

[GrandOldTeam]

Probably because it's beards away and never a member!

Also:

Negotiations on the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) between Canada and the 28-member European Union first began in 2009, with the agreement in principle reached in 2013. Implementation is not expected before 2017.

Eight years without a proper trade agreement, when there was political will to do so. Europe won't be as kind to us.

We'll get the Norway/Switzerland model after eight plus years, and have to accept immigration in the meantime and afterward anyway. And have no access to the rules of the single market. For no benefit or reason whatsoever.

Mate, you thought there was over 50 EU members the other day.

Googles great - but common sense is best.

 

[anton66]

Prices in the Aldi and Lidl are gonna rocket...There will be riots! Mainly involving the masses of unwashed and uneducated who voted to leave.

Forget about price rises are we now going to get different sized fruit and veg?

 

[Tubey]

There is no way Germany will export their Audis, Mercedes and BMWs to us now. No way...

Oh wait...

That's not the issue - it's the long term increase in tariffs and a lack of access to shaping the rules of the market to benefit us - which we did regularly given our economic strength.

Now, instead of shaping how we trade with our biggest trading partner, we have no say.

 

[Tubey]

Mate, you thought there was over 50 EU members the other day.

Googles great - but common sense is best.

Pfft - put on the spot. Nobody knows the precise details of everything EU. Couldn't name one president or official, could name about 12 countries tops.

Agree with common sense - your definition varies from mine though.

 

[bring the ghost on]

A lot of Brexit voters playing the "how dare you accuse us of being racist" card.

Lets be honest, a lot (not all) of Brexit voters were swayed by the immigration argument, largely down to being ill informed by both sides or the debate (not to mentioned the Murdoch media).

That's not to say every Brexit voter is a massive racist, but it is to say that those with vested interests in leaving used fear of immigration to get their own way.

We're out now, so we'll have to live with it and make the most of it, but that doesn't mean Remain voters can't point out the bleeding obvious regarding the massive role immigration played in this result.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[tsubaki]

You misunderstand me - we have to adhere to the free movement of people if we want to trade with Europe - e.g. the Norway way.

http://openeurope.org.uk/intelligence/immigration-and-justice/norway-and-switzerland/

Immigration and border control are increasingly cited as the main reasons for why the UK should leave the EU. Those advocating exit often mention Norway and Switzerland as models the UK should follow outside the EU. However, this briefing shows that Switzerland and Norway have far higher levels of EU immigration than the UK as a proportion of their populations. If the UK had the same net EU immigration rate as Switzerland, it would mean nearly 400,000 more EU migrants a year.

So yeah, absolutely zero point, unless we don't trade with Europe and really do the "screwing ourselves completely over" thing all the way.

No, we have to have free movement of labour if we are going to stay in the single market. The size of the sums involved for all parties will probably guarantee that a new trade system comes into force between the UK and the EU quickly and without that much of an obvious change, the main one probably being no absolute freedom of movement for labour but as liberal a work visa programme as they can get away with.

 

[Seanjd]

Less competition for jobs. Less competition for housing. Housing prices likely to reduce so that young people may actually be able to stop renting one day.

So we have just over 2m EU migrants in the UK currently, or 3.5% of the population. EU migrants also, by the way, pay more in taxes than they receive in working credits/child tax credits.

I would say that lots of these migrants will stay regardless of us leaving, and many would have came if we weren't in the EU.

Do you really believe that leaving the EU will lower house prices and give people chances of buying houses because this small amount of people might not be in the market to buy one?

Id be more concerned about population growth of people who were born here to be honest.

 

[orly]

To be fair, I think most people's reaction to that speech on both sides of the debate was "sniff it you monumental beaut". He might be right, he might be wrong, but the delivery was disgusting

 

[Tubey]

No, we have to have free movement of labour if we are going to stay in the single market. The size of the sums involved for all parties will probably guarantee that a new trade system comes into force between the UK and the EU quickly and without that much of an obvious change, the main one probably being no absolute freedom of movement for labour but as liberal a work visa programme as they can get away with.

It's not free movement of labour; it's "people". To live or work.The right of entry and residence applies to everyone, including those without an economic activity in the host country.

People really don't understand this.

 

[tsubaki]

I would be amazed if there was any speech, from any side, that boosted leave as much as that did.

I like Obama, and he has been a much better President than Bush - but saying to a country that has just spent fifteen years, billions of pounds and hundreds of its citizens lives backing the US up that it can get to the back of the queue when it comes to trade deals was just incredibly offensive.

 

[Dymak]

But the only realistic trade deal the government can now strike with the EU if they want to keep trading is one similar to Norways, which includes free movement of people.

Says who? If what you said was true then it would have been used to discount a whole host of Brexit propaganda but it never was. It would have been the retort every single time that Farage spoke of an Australian like points system, but it wasn't.

Why would the free movement of people be a deal breaker? And if it is, we could make it our deal breaker. The EU does need to trade with the UK as well. The negotiations are yet to start, and we actually have some power within such negotiations, unlike before.

 

[Paul w]

I don't know about anyone else but I'm absolutely loving this lol
So many cry babies that think anyone who voted leave is actually racist and are supposedly thinking of leaving the country. See you then, horrible people won't be missed.

Also everyone who voted to leave are thick,and those who voted to stay are budding prime ministers.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I don't know about anyone else but I'm absolutely loving this lol
So many cry babies that think anyone who voted leave is actually racist and are supposedly thinking of leaving the country. See you then, horrible people won't be missed.

I think they're stupid rather than racist (although the two aren't mutually exclusive)

 

[Tubey]

I would be amazed if there was any speech, from any side, that boosted leave as much as that did.

I like Obama, and he has been a much better President than Bush - but saying to a country that has just spent fifteen years, billions of pounds and hundreds of its citizens lives backing the US up that it can get to the back of the queue when it comes to trade deals was just incredibly offensive.

So what was he supposed to do mate, lie?