Current Affairs EU In or Out

[roydo]

I don't know enough about it mate but I couldn't ever imagine USA entering into a EU style arrangement...

Well they did. Dozens of separate states, all different. They created the Federal Reserve Bank, with a single currency, and a central government and crucially a central budget. (Which is what the EU cocked up).

So a single currency, central budget/economic policy, and in return, the states were allowed the freedom to make state rules. Which is why you can drink at 18 in some, 21 in another. And you fry in some, and not in others.

Basically.

 

[bizzaro]

The markets have already recovered inside the first day. Of all the main exchanges the FTSE actually fell the least. The mass hysteria from the remain camp, mainly students who haven't experience the real world yet, is way over the top and hugely unnecessary.

Was a little unsure if I'd voted the correct way yesterday, but feel much happier with my decision today.

That's because you've failed to grasp the difference between

Equity markets

And

The real economy

So before spouting about students. I suggest you go learn.

There is a time delay between equity market problems and issues in the real economy.

Always has been.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

The EU is about to collapse. The minute the common currency was created it was doomed. It was a complete vanity mission by unelected french beaurocrats.

Lots of countries will follow us out. And the more the better so we can create an actual worthwhile trade union between the nation's within Europe who we want to and not countries shoehorned in like Turkey are about to be.

Why is there such a negative perception to Turkey?

Why are they worse than Latvia, Lithuania... Estonia, Slovakia? Not that they're a benchmark - they're all random.

Genuine question - never understood the negativity towards Turkey potentially joining the EU.

 

[nsno-chris]

The EU is a capitalists dream, a big business dream, TTIP was going to fuel this further and allow American corporations to profit even more from European's, all whilst putting the public health at risk.

The EU was a terrific idea, but as with most bureaucratic interference it was mismanaged on a enormous magnitude

 

[bring the ghost on]

It is incorrect of you to use a broad brush approach to the thoughts of all those who voted 'Out'.

Remarkable that you deduced that from my post, when I clearly said "a lot (not all) of voters [were swayed by the immigration issue]".

There are voters like yourself who have other reasons for voting Brexit, but why should we ignore the fact that immigration played a huge part in this? I don't understand why that is being denied.

 

[ToffeeTim]

You could argue that the USA is a successful example of what the creation of the Euro was an attempt to replicate.

But they ballsed that right up.

America would never accept the terms we were put under by the EU and would never dream of accepting the lack of sovereignty we suffer from the power of the unaccountable european courts. One of the few things Boris actually was correct about.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I voted in, but I've just erected a bomb shelter in the garden, went the supermarket and cleared the shelves of bottled water, bought enough tinned food to last years, got tonnes of toilet rolls, so I'm now ready for when the world ends.

PS, don't ask, because I'm not letting any of you beauts in.

 

[arminisgod]

Even though they're not in the EU?

I thought they'd marginalise the UK - I've just stockpiled on world maps before they airbrush the UK off it.

Good point. We can't trade with anyone outside the eu.

[Poor language removed]

 

[Toffeelover]

It is incorrect of you to use a broad brush approach to the thoughts of all those who voted 'Out'.

I voted 'Out'. I am not a racist. Fear of immigration played no part in my decision to vote out.

I have posted this before, but even at the risk of being accused of repetition, I will post it again.

I voted in 1975 to join the 'Common Market', ensuring trade agreements went far better with other countries in the Common Market at the time.

I did not vote for Brussels Eurocrats to:
a) Review and overturn legally made decisions of our courts;
b) Impose Regulations which over-rode laws passed by our Parliament
In short, I never signed up to hand over soverign principles to a majority bunch who neither live nor work here.

I was appalled recently when it came out in the media that our Government HAD to seek permission from the Eurocrats in Brussels before any help could be given to the Port Talbot Steelworks. If they said no help could be given by us, then we could do nothing. Is THAT what membership of the EU means?

Does membership of the EU means we had to stand idly by as Ford moved their Transit operations from the UK to Turkey with the aid of an EU loan? Is THAT what membership of the EU means?

Well with regards to the last 2 paragraphs, that's exactly what it means. And those two examples, particularly the movement of jobs out of the UK aided by the EU,sickens me. THAT is why I voted out, because I do not believe the UK should have membership of an organisation that shafts us time and time again. You have to dig deep to find out how the EU militates against us. The information is there, but the popular media does not tell us about it most of the time.

To all of you criers about leaving the EU - wake up and smell the coffee!!!

Where was the government then about protecting jobs, bet they would not have been allowed to intervene under EU rules. What about Kraft took over Bournville and moved production to another EU country, again jobs down the toilet. There are many such issues which are kept quiet. What was there for the UK if the vote had been to stay in. What could we have looked forward to. No one in the Remain camp said anything about the future of the UK if we stayed in the EU.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I voted in, but I've just erected a bomb shelter in the garden, went the supermarket and cleared the shelves of bottled water, bought enough tinned food to last years, got tonnes of toilet rolls, so I'm now ready for when the world ends.

PS, don't ask, because I'm not letting any of you beauts in.

*buys shares in bomb shelter business*

 

[bizzaro]

Why is there such a negative perception to Turkey?

Why are they worse than Latvia, Lithuania... Estonia, Slovakia? Not that they're a benchmark - they're all random.

Genuine question - never understood the negativity towards Turkey potentially joining the EU.

People fear 100 million Turkish economic migrants turning up. That's what.

France is the biggest blocker of Turkey accension anyway. won't happen for decades.

 

[ianefc]

I voted in, but I've just erected a bomb shelter in the garden, went the supermarket and cleared the shelves of bottled water, bought enough tinned food to last years, got tonnes of toilet rolls, so I'm now ready for when the world ends.

PS, don't ask, because I'm not letting any of you beauts in.

Can I come?

 

[Toffeelover]

I doubt Hillary will think differently. They've invested hugely in TTIP. That's the basket their eggs are in.

That was before the referendum.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Remarkable that you deduced that from my post, when I clearly said "a lot (not all) of voters [were swayed by the immigration issue]".

There are voters like yourself who have other reasons for voting Brexit, but why should we ignore the fact that immigration played a huge part in this? I don't understand why that is being denied.

Your first sentence above is EXACTLY a broad brush approach. If you cannot see it, then there's nothing I can do about that...

 

[ToffeeTim]

Why is there such a negative perception to Turkey?

Why are they worse than Latvia, Lithuania... Estonia, Slovakia? Not that they're a benchmark - they're all random.

Genuine question - never understood the negativity towards Turkey potentially joining the EU.

Huge human rights issues surrounding the treatment of groups, especially the Kurds. And huge huge corruption in their government.