Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Joey66 said:
The EU is for massive Tory businesses and Bankers mr socialist, Jezza puts a good front on he wants out too!
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That makes zero sense mate. May wants in of you want to play that game btw.

Face facts mate, the hard Brexit dream of the reckless has disappeared round the U bend where it belongs. We'll leave with a soft Brexit, assuming that we leave at all, as I can easily see the transition period being extended further as the trade talks drag on and the whole issue becoming the focus of the 2022 GE
 
Groucho said:
At what point will the majority realise that this will be worse for the country, both in terms of finances and workers' rights? Too late?

It smacks now of face-saving exercise to me. And it ain't going very well.

Will they acknowledge that the best deal that could possibly be agreed will probably be miles worse than what we currently have?

Ergo, in what possible way is this supposed to be "in the best interest of the U.K."? Surely the best thing to do would be knock it all on the head.
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The majority don't look at it at that level though. They look at it simply as less immigrants means more jobs for people here. Less people overcrowding the NHS, public transport etc. The more complex side of the economics of Brexit and workers rights are not a factor in the majority of people's votes. The Leave campaign won because they were clever enough to realise this and campaigned at this level by simply hammering home the anti immigration message and staying as far away from the complexities of the vote as they could. They figured out very quickly the majority don't care and it was an argument to nowhere for them.

So when Bruce says

Bruce Wayne said:
What is baffling though is that despite the number of people thinking a good deal will be achieved shrinking rapidly, the vote intentions barely seem to be budging at all.
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It's really not baffling. For most leavers, getting a good deal with the EU is insignificant compared to stopping immigration.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
That makes zero sense mate. May wants in of you want to play that game btw.

Face facts mate, the hard Brexit dream of the reckless has disappeared round the U bend where it belongs. We'll leave with a soft Brexit, assuming that we leave at all, as I can easily see the transition period being extended further as the trade talks drag on and the whole issue becoming the focus of the 2022 GE
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Again you are in denial of leaving ?
You claim to be a socialist yet the tax havens in Luxembourg?
The EU goes against most socialist values!
 
DualityNSNO said:
Sure, the trading, free movement/travel, businesses growing, cheaper hand, research money, investing in poorer areas of the UK accordingly to the EU projects - nothing.
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Joey66 said:
Again you are in denial of leaving ?
You claim to be a socialist yet the tax havens in Luxembourg?
The EU goes against most socialist values!
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What the hell are you on about ffs?

Luxembourg? What of it?

Oh and I think you'll find that a decent number of the 27 are socialist countries and the entire premise of the organisation is socialist, assist those who need the most help to the detriment of yourself. You've lost it mate
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
What the hell are you on about ffs?

Luxembourg? What of it?

Oh and I think you'll find that a decent number of the 27 are socialist countries and the entire premise of the organisation is socialist, assist those who need the most help to the detriment of yourself. You've lost it mate
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We have trade unions to protect our social values I am still a member of one by the way all this clap trap on how the EU protect us is laughable!
Big business rich people want to stay in the EU ask Bob Geldoff!
 
Charlie Sweet said:
Pete you keep saying these things yet where is an ounce of proof?

The £8bn you quote clearly ignores any of the benefits of EU membership.

The one and only good thing Maggie Thatcher ever did for the UK was negotiate the various EU rebates and concessions. That will never be repeated. The future trade deal with the EU will be a lot worse than we have currently. It has to be by any sense of logic.

That's the world's biggest trading block, on our doorstep, and we're going to be worse off.

Ah but "we've got the rest of the world lad to trade with". Sounds great doesn't it. Except we're currently pretty high up in terms of an advanced services economy. We don't have much in the way of manufacturing and our agricultural sector is highly protected.

Do we actually want cheap food imports flooding the country?

London based professional/financial services are our key export and they uniformally voted Remain. I'm sure I seen a poll before the referendum saying something like 325 of 330 top FTSE CEOs wanted to Remain.

But that can be just ignored. Of course we're going to be better off. Except the government's own growth forecasts show us virtually stagnant for the next 10 years.

And that's without all the impact assessments on individual sectors of the economy.

Pete/Joey are you both honestly happy that the government haven't done any calculations to work out the impact of leaving the EU?!?!
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I do not believe for a second that these calculations haven’t been done......
 
DualityNSNO said:
Sure, the trading, free movement/travel, businesses growing, cheaper hand, research money, investing in poorer areas of the UK accordingly to the EU projects - nothing.

Germany has contributed vastly more so and will continue to do so with or without you. In fact, the money Germany and France pay you in rebates will cover more than enough for you leaving, perhaps, as they actually pay you the rebate themselves for the most part.
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I’ve heard everything now, the money paid in rebates will cover the U.K. leaving.......you couldn’t make this up......

Let me explain this in very simple terms....

The U.K. should pay into the EU about £17Bn......but because we don’t get all the goodies of CAP etc we get a rebate of about £4Bn......the rebate isn’t actual money it’s just discounted from our contribution bill.

So the U.K. then actually pays the EU £13Bn in real money

Then the EU spends about £5Bn into the U.K.

Therefore the U.K. actually pays £8Bn Net to the EU........
 
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