Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Old Blue 2]

Well, we dont know yet do we?

Thing is, you seem to have voted for some yet to be explained/experienced nirvana of the UK returning to some sort of political and economic greatness/independence. Fair enough.

To do that, you have also voted to leave, with zero terms/replacements lined up, the largest single trading market on the planet. On a whim and a prayer.

The younger demographic voted to remain within that union, something your generation voted to join, before they were born.

Ergo. Your generation have enjoyed the fruits of all that for 40 years, but have now voted "For Change" (lol) going back to what you decided to leave in the first place.

Ladder pulled right up in my book.

roydo,

This has all been gone over before, and you are falling into the repetition, repetition, repetition trap...

Political independence, why not. Do YOU want to be dictated to by EU bureaucrats like Juncker, and that turd presently in charge of EU negotiations? Do you? Really?

Again, at the risk of beating the proverbial, it has been gone over many times that Cameron did not do a single second of planning for a leave vote. Why? Well, you ask him, but I susect he was smug enough to believe that his chosen path of remain would carry the day and therefore did zilch planning for the other eventuality. That can be firmly laid at Cameron's feet. In retrospect, well, if I wrote exactly what I thought of him as a person and a PM, I would get banned...

If the surveys are correct, then yes young = remain, my generation = leave. If you want a personal view, I get the impression that my generation (teenagers in the 1960s) were subjected to change in the 1960s the like of which had almost certainly never been seen before, and probably has never been seen since. I'm not saying that is a good or bad thing, just saying that it llikely formed part of the psyche of that generation. With regard to my children's generation, and the present generation of youngsters, I perceive a trait of wanting to remain within present comfort zones. That not expressing it very well, I concede, but perhaps you get my drift.

Enjoyed the fruits of all that 40 years??? How old are you, roydo? Tell me about the fruits of 15% interest rates, and over 3 million unemployed. Tell me about the destruction of the steel industry, and the mining industry, and the docks industry. Have you ever sat on an interviewing recruitment panel for 2 weeks at a time interviewing young hopefuls chasing a meagre number of jobs? Driven home desolate every night in that time knowing that the good kids you interviewed that day had little to no chance of getting the 2 or 3 jobs because there were better candidates? Please, call me all the names you like, take the piss, take my points apart, but don't tell me I went through 'the fruits' of the 1980s with a wife and two young children to bring up in those terrible times...

 

[Old Blue 2]

The real people who are screwing the Country isn't the EU, mate. You've literally described the Tory government in your last rant.


Give your head a wobble, play some driving rock covers in a boozer full of daily mail readers and sit back made up with yourself that 'I'm alright, jack'

(That's your quote, not mine)

Having been a Labour voter al my life, I regret to say that the Labour Governent also did nothing to correct the tax evasion of the super-big companies...

I don't kn ow where you've got the 'I'm alright Jack' thing from. Perhaps from yourself, as your posts are always smug and self-satisfied...

And I did all the heavy rock stuff in my younger days, jal. And I haven't a clue what papers the punters read at the gigs I play - I just don't have the time to ask each one of them personally. Also, I don't give a fiddlers what they read...

 

[roydo]

Enjoyed the fruits of all that 40 years??? How old are you, roydo? Tell me about the fruits of 15% interest rates, and over 3 million unemployed. Tell me about the destruction of the steel industry, and the mining industry, and the docks industry. Have you ever sat on an interviewing recruitment panel for 2 weeks at a time interviewing young hopefuls chasing a meagre number of jobs? Driven home desolate every night in that time knowing that the good kids you interviewed that day had little to no chance of getting the 2 or 3 jobs because there were better candidates? Please, call me all the names you like, take the piss, take my points apart, but don't tell me I went through 'the fruits' of the 1980s with a wife and two young children to bring up in those terrible times...

Never said "You" did, but as a generation, you, collectively, have rode a pretty solid wave.

52. So I havnt exactly got much to moan about re property prices/pensions.

And please show me where I have done either.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Never said "You" did, but as a generation, you, collectively, have rode a pretty solid wave.

52. So I havnt exactly got much to moan about re property prices/pensions.

And please show me where I have done either.

You misunderstand me, roydo. My point was, you can slag me off however which way you like, but don't tell me I went though the 'fruits' of things in times past, when some of those times were simply horrendous for a lot of people, particularly in Liverpool. Believe me, Man, I saw it, working in an inner-city benefits office in Liverool at the time...

 

[jal123]

You misunderstand me, roydo. My point was, you can [Poor language removed] me off however which way you like, but don't tell me I went though the 'fruits' of things in times past, when some of those times were simply horrendous for a lot of people, particularly in Liverpool. Believe me, Man, I saw it, working in an inner-city benefits office in Liverool at the time...

Ohhhh now it makes sense, you were on the other side of the benefits office.

Now your opinions make sense.

 

[roydo]

You misunderstand me, roydo. My point was, you can [Poor language removed] me off however which way you like, but don't tell me I went though the 'fruits' of things in times past, when some of those times were simply horrendous for a lot of people, particularly in Liverpool. Believe me, Man, I saw it, working in an inner-city benefits office in Liverool at the time...

Er, I havnt. Had a go or told you what "You" went through.

Just said, as a collective, your generation has had a pretty decent time. Not everyone, obvs, but collectively. Not been too shabby.

And now you might be denying similar to the younger generation.

Or maybe not. Point is, you have taken a leap of faith. Maybe based on on the agendas of folk like Farage and Boris.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Ohhhh now it makes sense, you were on the other side of the benefits office.

Now your opinions make sense.

Yeah, I worked on the paying out side of things. And saw what those in power were doing to those dependent on benefits. If you think I was some Government lackey, think again...

And what opinions might they be...?

 

[Old Blue 2]

Er, I havnt. Had a go or told you what "You" went through.

Just said, as a collective, your generation has had a pretty decent time. Not everyone, obvs, but collectively. Not been too shabby.

And now you might be denying similar to the younger generation.

Or maybe not. Point is, you have taken a leap of faith. Maybe based on on the agendas of folk like Farage and Boris.

You're still not getting it, roydo! Go and check out the history of Liverpool, post-war. From the bomb-site 1950s onwards...

 

[Ruairi77]

Wow, old blue, you paint a very grim picture of life in the 80's yet you voted out of an economically stable situation and voted for an option with no concrete economic plan. You're basically playing fast and loose with the lives of young families now, if it works out, the economic situation will roughly stay the same, if it doesn't, it's straight back to the 80's for them. And all because the idea that a faceless bureaucrat in Brussels rather than London making policy decisions that affect you, drives you mad.
So don't go on about hard economic times when you're gambling with the lives of a younger generation because of nationalism.

 

[peteblue]

Or it took a considered view of weighing up the benefits of membership or a thoughtless leap in the dark to think anything must be better than this.

We shall see when we leave. Let's see how many of you are clamouring to rejoin.....

 

[jal123]

You're still not getting it, roydo! Go and check out the history of Liverpool, post-war. From the bomb-site 1950s onwards...

The only person on this thread this evening who just isn't getting it seems to be you, mate.

nobody likes being told they've made a mistake, I get that, Jesus I've had blazing rows with my own father about this but ffs stop it now.

 

[peteblue]

You're still not getting it, roydo! Go and check out the history of Liverpool, post-war. From the bomb-site 1950s onwards...

I love people telling us how 'easy' we had it during the 50's and how everything has been given to us on a plate, while today's snowflakes are worried about leaving the EU......but, but, but we'll be on our own, there's 27 of them, we're doomed.......I'm glad my little granddaughter has more bottle than a few on here......

 

[jal123]

I love people telling us how 'easy' we had it during the 50's and how everything has been given to us on a plate, while today's snowflakes are worried about leaving the EU......but, but, but we'll be on our own, there's 27 of them, we're doomed.......I'm glad my little granddaughter has more bottle than a few on here......

Have you had a beer?


Literally nobody in this thread has told you how easy it was in the 50s Pierre...................

 

[jal123]

P.s 'snowflakes' is a term exclusively used by cretins like Piers Morgan, I think you're better than that Piotr, so come on.................

 

[peteblue]

P.s 'snowflakes' is a term exclusively used by cretins like Piers Morgan, I think you're better than that Piotr, so come on.................

It was a term I picked up from the Chancellor from one of our universities, her description seemed apt.....