Current Affairs EU In or Out

[jal123]

If you read it in its full context, it will become clear. But I will explain. It is my considered opinion (and it has also been expressed by others in this thread way back, that a lot of remain voters simply voted remain because they were afraid of moving away from the 'status quo'. In other words, resistant to change, fear (for want of a better word) of something different.

It could also be argued that remain voters were happy with it how it was.

Would you jib your mrs to show people you're not afraid of change?

It's a bizarre concept you're projecting on people who voted remain, especially since as the old tale goes that it's the old who are afraid of change. Yet they all voted to change!

 

[hullefc]

Good post, FLHD, and I agree when you say you don't see what tangible difference it potentially makes to your life and that of your kids. We didn't (well I didn't) see tangible differences when we voted 'In' to a Common Market all those decades ago, but it evolved over the decades to a massive political (and potentially military) union, which was certainly not on the table in the 1970s.

What I genuinely hope comes out of the present situation is that the UK goes foward with the best possible deals across the board, and we can hopefully see a better future, whatever the final negotiations deliver. I don't want the UK to tank, as I believe nobody else does.

And I did qualify the word 'fear' by saying 'for want of a better word'.

Now I'm off to see how my home county, Lancashire, are doing against Essex. It would do my box in if Essex win the County Championship!

It was the agenda in 1972 as Benn and Powell said at the time and as Cash emphasised today in the Commons. The free movement of goods, services, finance and people were enshrined in the principles that Heath joined in 1972.

 

[Old Blue 2]

1. It could also be argued that remain voters were happy with it how it was.

2. Would you jib your mrs to show people you're not afraid of change?

3. It's a bizarre concept you're projecting on people who voted remain, especially since as the old tale goes that it's the old who are afraid of change. Yet they all voted to change!

1. Status Quo, as I said.

2. Disgraceful comment, and not relevant to the discussion.

3. It's not bizarre. It is a fallacy that the old are afraid of change. It would appear, from the statistics that the remainers have posted time and time and time again in this thread, particularly in the early months of it last year, that the OLDER generation voted for change (if we are to believe the stats provided by the remainers). Don't quite understand your point...

 

[jal123]

1. Status Quo, as I said.

2. Disgraceful comment, and not relevant to the discussion.

3. It's not bizarre. It is a fallacy that the old are afraid of change. It would appear, from the statistics that the remainers have posted time and time and time again in this thread, particularly in the early months of it last year, that the OLDER generation voted for change (if we are to believe the stats provided by the remainers). Don't quite understand your point...

My point is that the OLDER (you emphasised it not me) generation won't be around to suffer the consequences of this absolute shitshow, but you're all made up you voted for it.


Please tell me what you think has gone well so far since the country 'accepted the will of the people'?


Don't duck this like my mate Peter is prone to do, you voted for it so tell me what you voted for and what you think is going well so far, please?

 

[Old Blue 2]

It was the agenda in 1972 as Benn and Powell said at the time and as Cash emphasised today in the Commons. The free movement of goods, services, finance and people were enshrined in the principles that Heath joined in 1972.

Fine, hull. Now that is all set for change, given the changed circumstances.

 

[Alan Whittle]

3. It's not bizarre. It is a fallacy that the old are afraid of change. It would appear, from the statistics that the remainers have posted time and time and time again in this thread, particularly in the early months of it last year, that the OLDER generation voted for change (if we are to believe the stats provided by the remainers). Don't quite understand your point...

They voted to "take back control". In other words to go back to ( in their view) how things were. So they voted for something they thought they were already familiar with. No wonder they were content.

 

[roydo]

It is a fallacy that the old are afraid of change. It would appear, from the statistics that the remainers have posted time and time and time again in this thread, particularly in the early months of it last year, that the OLDER generation voted for change[/QUOTE]

Or pulled the ladder up.

 

[jal123]

Spot on @roydo

Ladder pullers.


Class traitors.


Baby boomers!


We owned our own house and worked in Ogdens etc etc

 

[Old Blue 2]

1. My point is that the OLDER (you emphasised it not me) generation won't be around to suffer the consequences of this absolute shitshow, but you're all made up you voted for it.


2. Please tell me what you think has gone well so far since the country 'accepted the will of the people'?


3. Don't duck this like my mate Peter is prone to do, you voted for it so tell me what you voted for and what you think is going well so far, please?

I see you didn't respond to a single point I made in my post to you. But never mind.

1. You do not know ANY of the consequences of what will happen in the future, no more than I know. What I and others bring to the table, and it is as equally valid as anyone else's views, is that being dicatated to by a bureaucratic EU is not in the best interests of the UK in the future. And what it is now is NOT what we entered into in the 1970s. It is a different beast, a monolith, now. Jusat go and call up all the merde spouted by Juncker since the referendum, and the garbage spoken recently by the EU's chief negotiator. If you are/were happy to be part of an organisation with those European gobshites calling the shots, then good luck to you!

2. Well Osbourne's claim of a swingeing budget against the ordinary people never happened. Carney of The Bank of England's prediction that the economy would go down the pan has been proved absolute merde. Unemployment is falling, we are told. The UK IS NOT coming apart at the seams, although it would appear that some remainers on here would wish it to be so.

3. I voted for us to determine our future ourselves, not at the whim of EU bureaucrats (see last part of '1' above). Going well - see '2' above.

 

[Old Blue 2]

They voted to "take back control". In other words to go back to ( in their view) how things were. So they voted for something they thought they were already familiar with. No wonder they were content.

Not how things were, how things should be...

 

[Old Blue 2]

Pulled the ladder up on what?

 

[Alan Whittle]

Not how things were, how things should be...

How are they different?
Leave voters knew two things;
They knew what they thought.
They knew what they didn't want. Farage convinced those who wanted to believe it that we could leave in a fortnight and they'd pay us to go.

 

[jal123]

I see you didn't respond to a single point I made in my post to you. But never mind.

1. You do not know ANY of the consequences of what will happen in the future, no more than I know. What I and others bring to the table, and it is as equally valid as anyone else's views, is that being dicatated to by a bureaucratic EU is not in the best interests of the UK in the future. And what it is now is NOT what we entered into in the 1970s. It is a different beast, a monolith, now. Jusat go and call up all the merde spouted by Juncker since the referendum, and the garbage spoken recently by the EU's chief negotiator. If you are/were happy to be part of an organisation with those European gobshites calling the shots, then good luck to you!

2. Well Osbourne's claim of a swingeing budget against the ordinary people never happened. Carney of The Bank of England's prediction that the economy would go down the pan has been proved absolute merde. Unemployment is falling, we are told. The UK IS NOT coming apart at the seams, although it would appear that some remainers on here would wish it to be so.

3. I voted for us to determine our future ourselves, not at the whim of EU bureaucrats (see last part of '1' above). Going well - see '2' above.

The consequences are presenting themselves, have you not heard of people leaving, have you not opened your eyes to any reports that banks are moving divisions to Frankfurt, Paris, Dublin? Not heard that EasyJet are moving to Austria? It's just the start. Japan are negotiating a trade deal with the EU, do you think they'll keep their car manufacturing here (lol at the dopes in Sunderland cutting their own throats), there's Vauxhall in Ellesmere Port, now French owned. That's a lot of jobs, a lot of corporation tax, income tax to be looking at losing.

Get your head out of your arse.

You say it's different to what we joined in the 70s, that's the only thing you've got friggin right! We've been shaping it for 40 years, it's us who wanted Eastern Europe to join, we pushed that.

 

[jal123]

How are they different?

More brown people here now an tha

 

[roydo]

Pulled the laddder up on what?

Well, we dont know yet do we?

Thing is, you seem to have voted for some yet to be explained/experienced nirvana of the UK returning to some sort of political and economic greatness/independence. Fair enough.

To do that, you have also voted to leave, with zero terms/replacements lined up, the largest single trading market on the planet. On a whim and a prayer.

The younger demographic voted to remain within that union, something your generation voted to join, before they were born.

Ergo. Your generation have enjoyed the fruits of all that for 40 years, but have now voted "For Change" (lol) going back to what you decided to leave in the first place.

Ladder pulled right up in my book.