Current Affairs EU In or Out

[edge]

Should be some interesting statements coming out of the central bank the next few days.
Germany want an end to quantitative easing, and the Euro not to be overvalued, can see it getting a bit tricky getting that done at the moment.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Oh dear, the old chestnut. Let's quote statistics to validate a point.

Except that, the statistics quoted are not worth a carrot. 3,000 people polled. Yeah, that's statistically valid. Some people never seem to grasp a basic understanding of how to advance a valid premise. And asking 3,000 people out of the whole population of the UK is like asking 10 people on the Gwladys Street a question, and then advancing that those views are those of the total Everton-supporting population!

OF COURSE, a certain %age of the population think that immigration should be controlled. The reasons why have been gone over again and again and again in this thread in the months past, and I'm not going to repeat them again here.

OF COURSE, there are a whole raft of other issues why people voted to leave, but the likes of you, Foot Long, and some others, are not interested in those - you simply push the immigration button time and time and time again. Boring...

Yes it is statistically valid, in fact 3,000 is a very sizable poll, and the error percentage will be +/- 2%, go and do some research into how polls are conducted and the error rates, particularly on polls that are questioning a past event. Your dismissal of the entire validity of polls due to the fact that you have an issue with the content is at best ignorant and at worst disingenuous

The results clearly show that around 70% of Leave voters had a major issue with immigration, it's a fact man, why deny it?

In fact why don't you write to old Theresa May while you're at it....as this is what she said in her Brexit speech

But the message from the public before and during the referendum campaign was clear: Brexit must mean control of the number of people who come to Britain from Europe. And that is what we will deliver.

 

[Duncan Disordely]

If one good thing comes out of Brexit it'll hopefuly be the destruction of the Tories

 

[joey_macmo]

The problem though Bruce is the EU import tariffs, whereby you have to pay import duty and import VAT (plus VAT on import duty). I've said before, the EU is based on keeping everyone else out. We can do trade deals, but there is no way around the EU barriers, which is why we no longer eat New Zealand lamb, which anyone over 50 will remember that we used to have every week....

New Zealand has tariff free access to the EU for their Lamb Pete.

It's not like you to get trade deals totally wrong with your vast life knowledge.

 

[Old Blue 2]

It was quite clearly the biggest issue in the referendum. Blind Freddy could tell you that and the guy who lead the leave campaign literally did tell you that. Articles posted just above show you that as well.

Yes, not every single person voted leave to stop immigration, you and Pete didn't. I know that and I never said you or every leave voter did before you started making things up and ranting again. All I was saying is I don't think a lot of people that voted leave will be happy if immigration is still going up out of the EU.

When it suits the remainers, immigration is claimed to be the biggest issue.

When it suits the remainers, the £350 million per week to the NHS is claimed to be the biggest issue (when that was never claimed in the first place!)

When it suits the remainers the lack of trade deals, the loss of jobs, yadda, yadda, yadda, is claimed to be the biggest issue.

See where the above is going, bobby?

I don't make things up, or rant. I put forward simple premises, and some on here don't llike what I say and call it ranting. I find that quite amusing. Others with a bit more noous understand the points, and indulge in intelligent debate.

Your last sentence is an interesting point, given what has been mentioned in the media in the last day or so. It would appear that the UK stance is to put immigration from the EU on the same footing as that for the rest of the world. I don't think it should be any more complicated than that, but that is just my singular opinion.

 

[Old Blue 2]

The irony that immigration and emigration numbers into the UK are performed via a survey will surely not be lost on you Old Blue.

Bruce,
Given the high-level job that I believe you have, I am surprised by the above, to say the least.

Surely immigration & emigration figures are not calculated by a 'survey', but rather from statistical information sent up the line to the Top Of The Office by the relevant authorities. Hard and fast figures, Bruce, not a minor sample survey. The one is completely different to the other...

 

[Old Blue 2]

Yes it is statistically valid, in fact 3,000 is a very sizable poll, and the error percentage will be +/- 2%, go and do some research into how polls are conducted and the error rates, particularly on polls that are questioning a past event. Your dismissal of the entire validity of polls due to the fact that you have an issue with the content is at best ignorant and at worst disingenuous

The results clearly show that around 70% of Leave voters had a major issue with immigration, it's a fact man, why deny it?

In fact why don't you write to old Theresa May while you're at it....as this is what she said in her Brexit speech

But the message from the public before and during the referendum campaign was clear: Brexit must mean control of the number of people who come to Britain from Europe. And that is what we will deliver.

One sentence: go and do some research into what is a statistically valid sample...

I would venture to suggest that a lot of remain voters had a major issue with immigration, but were afraid to venture outside of their comfort zone 'status quo'. The 'I'm alright Jack, leave me alone' brigade...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce,
Given the high-level job that I believe you have, I am surprised by the above, to say the least.

Surely immigration & emigration figures are not calculated by a 'survey', but rather from statistical information sent up the line to the Top Of The Office by the relevant authorities. Hard and fast figures, Bruce, not a minor sample survey. The one is completely different to the other...

https://www.ons.gov.uk/surveys/info...vidualsurveys/internationalpassengersurveyips

"The results are primarily used to:

• measure the impact of travel expenditure on the UK economy
• estimate the numbers and characteristics of migrants into and out of the UK
• provide information about international tourism and how it has changed over time"

 

[jal123]

The problem though Bruce is the EU import tariffs, whereby you have to pay import duty and import VAT (plus VAT on import duty). I've said before, the EU is based on keeping everyone else out. We can do trade deals, but there is no way around the EU barriers, which is why we no longer eat New Zealand lamb, which anyone over 50 will remember that we used to have every week....

They sell New Zealand lamb in Sainsbury's Pedro, fill your boots.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

One sentence: go and do some research into what is a statistically valid sample...

I would venture to suggest that a lot of remain voters had a major issue with immigration, but were afraid to venture outside of their comfort zone 'status quo'. The 'I'm alright Jack, leave me alone' brigade...

I already have done, and 3,000 is, if you beg to differ post your logic, otherwise sssshhhhhh about it.

If you'd have bothered to read the survey results fully you'd have seen that the amount of Remain voters who had the same issue with it was around half of that of the leave voters i.e. circa 35%. I've really no idea what the 'leave me alone brigade' comment is supposed to mean.....

 

[Tubey]

If one good thing comes out of Brexit it'll hopefuly be the destruction of the Tories

The absolutely irony of this group of idiots being those who coined the phrase "Remoaners", yet are now moaning about what a sovereign parliament does. Isn't that what they wanted - to "take back control"?

We didn't vote on how we leave; we simply voted to leave. Why don't they get this?

We all know the answer - they only want to "take back control" as long as that "control" is exactly what they want it to be.

 

[bobbydigital]

When it suits the remainers, immigration is claimed to be the biggest issue.

That was the biggest issue for many voters in determining what to vote for, I think everybody seems to be able to figure that out except you. Theresa May said it, Farage said it, everybody said it.

When it suits the remainers, the £350 million per week to the NHS is claimed to be the biggest issue (when that was never claimed in the first place!)

Never claimed to be the biggest issue. Remain voters simply claimed it to be a ridiculous lie, which it has proven to be.

When it suits the remainers the lack of trade deals, the loss of jobs, yadda, yadda, yadda, is claimed to be the biggest issue.

This is a huge issue created by the vote. Do you think this should just be ignored. There are many seperate issues that are massively important to both leave and remain voters. Do you expect to just pick one thing and forget about everything else. It's not my fault the leave vote came with a myriad of ridiculous problems that all need to be fixed now, you can't just pick one and ignore the rest sorry.

See where the above is going, bobby?

Yes, you are highlighting issues that caused the leave vote, issues that are caused by the leave vote as well as lies told by the leave campaign. Have you seen the light?

I don't make things up, or rant. I put forward simple premises, and some on here don't llike what I say and call it ranting. I find that quite amusing. Others with a bit more noous understand the points, and indulge in intelligent debate.

You did though, you made up that I said every single one of the 17 million leave voters voted that way because of immigration. I never said that. Then you started ranting about it.

I find that quite amusing. Others with a bit more noous understand the points, and indulge in intelligent debate.

I guess the old saying is correct, simple minds are easily amused.

Your last sentence is an interesting point, given what has been mentioned in the media in the last day or so. It would appear that the UK stance is to put immigration from the EU on the same footing as that for the rest of the world. I don't think it should be any more complicated than that, but that is just my singular opinion.

It is more complicated than that though. Countries the UK are openly courting for free trade agreements have come out and said they want immigration restrictions lifted. So if our big plan is ditching the EU and replacing it with the Commonwealth and it comes with more immigration, do you think this will go down well, considering that for a lot of people (yes, not you and not every single person), the biggest issue in deciding what to vote for was immigration?

 

[peteblue]

New Zealand has tariff free access to the EU for their Lamb Pete.

It's not like you to get trade deals totally wrong with your vast life knowledge.

It has a quota that is tariff free.....

 

[joey_macmo]

The problem though Bruce is the EU import tariffs, whereby you have to pay import duty and import VAT (plus VAT on import duty). I've said before, the EU is based on keeping everyone else out. We can do trade deals, but there is no way around the EU barriers, which is why we no longer eat New Zealand lamb, which anyone over 50 will remember that we used to have every week....

It has a quota that is tariff free.....

P.S. The quota isn't filled

 

[joey_macmo]

I already have done, and 3,000 is, if you beg to differ post your logic, otherwise sssshhhhhh about it.

If you'd have bothered to read the survey results fully you'd have seen that the amount of Remain voters who had the same issue with it was around half of that of the leave voters i.e. circa 35%. I've really no idea what the 'leave me alone brigade' comment is supposed to mean.....

But he doesn't make things up & 3000 people isn't a valid sample....

At least this thread is as consistent as Everton's away form