Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

There just seems to be a rhetoric that we aren't allowed to trade with the Commonwealth at the moment due to the dastardly EU. I'd always believed that trade deals between nations helped to make trade easier, but trade could still take place without them. I mean if you take an Alibaba or an Amazon, I doubt they have relied on their respective governments to do deals for them, or to ask permission before they can enter a new territory. I'm just confused by the notion that our companies need us to leave the EU to 'trade with the world'. As I've mentioned previously, the DTI have established a platform to help companies trade across the commonwealth, and there are a bunch of EU bodies looking to do likewise within Europe.

The problem though Bruce is the EU import tariffs, whereby you have to pay import duty and import VAT (plus VAT on import duty). I've said before, the EU is based on keeping everyone else out. We can do trade deals, but there is no way around the EU barriers, which is why we no longer eat New Zealand lamb, which anyone over 50 will remember that we used to have every week....

 

[Joey66]

Trade agreements are mostly build on trust and stability. Abrubtly leaving the EU isn't exactly the best signal to send to possible trade partners.

Abruptly it's 18 months since we voted OUT - it's a very hard long out process with transitioning arrangements in place for us to leave with a hopeful advantageous outcome!

 

[Joey66]

The problem though Bruce is the EU import tariffs, whereby you have to pay import duty and import VAT (plus VAT on import duty). I've said before, the EU is based on keeping everyone else out. We can do trade deals, but there is no way around the EU barriers, which is why we no longer eat New Zealand lamb, which anyone over 50 will remember that we used to have every week....

First thing my late mother noticed in the 1970's that and cheap Australia butter!

 

[peteblue]

Exactly, it is meant to be win / win and you are right, many of them have produce and materials that the UK want and will happily take UK money for it, if UK consumers will pay what they charge. The problem is on the UK export side though as countries have moved on from the Commonwealth, already have trade agreements and are geographically closer to their established trading partners where they will get most of what the UK produces cheaper anyway. You also need to consider the effect on the existing UK industries free trade deals with certain countries would have, which is why they take so long to conclude.

India aren't simply exporting people like commodities, many of them want to study and take opportunities abroad that aren't available to them in India and the Indian government recognises this. As part of any trade deal they have made it clear they want it to be easier for their citizens to work and study in the UK, whether that is full free movement, easier visas I don't really know. End of the day, a free trade agreement with a country of over 1.3 billion people whether it includes free movement or easier visas comes with far more immigration and they have made it clear that is what they want so both sides can get the win / win you speak of.

I'm pretty sure that is at odds with what the leave campaign was run on as I remember Farage saying "It is clear that immigration is the number one issue and concern for the British people and will be the defining issue of this EU referendum campaign." Do you really believe a lot of Leave voters won't mind trade agreements that create more immigration?

Good post. The prices for goods outside of the EU will almost certainly be lower than those from inside the EU. There will be issues regarding geographics, but that in itself is an opportunity for the UK. We used to trade worldwide and our docks and export cities ranged from Liverpool, Cardiff, Bristol etc, but with being in the EU everything moved to the South East. World trade will open up our west coast cities again.

The India issue, will most certainly require access to U.K. Universities, and I am a big supporter of this. By way of example, I helped to conclude a multi billion deal with India because on the relationship side, trust and understanding, both the Indian minister and my son went to the same university and we just happened to 'hit it off'. Trust can move mountains.

The leave people who were concerned with immigration were, for the most part, concerned about low paid low skill job losses and the driving down of wages. I employed many Indian engineers who we sent to the USA and after going through the many hoops were accepted for the skills they had. I have no problem utilising top class Commonwealth people because they go back and help develop additional business with the UK. The same cannot be said within the EU.

I appreciate this sounds like someone who actually prefers the Commonwealth to the EU, but that is because I do.....

 

[bobbydigital]

The problem though Bruce is the EU import tariffs, whereby you have to pay import duty and import VAT (plus VAT on import duty). I've said before, the EU is based on keeping everyone else out. We can do trade deals, but there is no way around the EU barriers, which is why we no longer eat New Zealand lamb, which anyone over 50 will remember that we used to have every week....

Japan (world's 3rd largest economy) just completed a free trade agreement with the EU in July though?
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40520218

You can't eat New Zealand lamb because with a free trade agreement with NZ, many UK farmers are doomed http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-38831023

 

[bobbydigital]

Good post. The prices for goods outside of the EU will almost certainly be lower than those from inside the EU. There will be issues regarding geographics, but that in itself is an opportunity for the UK. We used to trade worldwide and our docks and export cities ranged from Liverpool, Cardiff, Bristol etc, but with being in the EU everything moved to the South East. World trade will open up our west coast cities again.

The India issue, will most certainly require access to U.K. Universities, and I am a big supporter of this. By way of example, I helped to conclude a multi billion deal with India because on the relationship side, trust and understanding, both the Indian minister and my son went to the same university and we just happened to 'hit it off'. Trust can move mountains.

The leave people who were concerned with immigration were, for the most part, concerned about low paid low skill job losses and the driving down of wages. I employed many Indian engineers who we sent to the USA and after going through the many hoops were accepted for the skills they had. I have no problem utilising top class Commonwealth people because they go back and help develop additional business with the UK. The same cannot be said within the EU.

I appreciate this sounds like someone who actually prefers the Commonwealth to the EU, but that is because I do.....

I get your points and somewhat understand where you are coming from (don't really get EU people not helping UK businesses bit).

But I don't think you speak for the majority of leavers, who for them, their vote meant stopping immigration. Not stopping EU immigration but letting everyone else in.

 

[peteblue]

I get your points and somewhat understand where you are coming from (don't really get EU people not helping UK businesses bit).

But I don't think you speak for the majority of leavers, who for them, their vote meant stopping immigration. Not stopping EU immigration but letting everyone else in.

I don't speak for all leavers obviously, I speak for myself.

Of course EU people help U.K. Business and indeed hospitals etc. But they would still be welcome, but not above Commonwealth people, just the same.....as we need people we will find the best, wherever they come from......

 

[Old Blue 2]

But I don't think you speak for the majority of leavers, who for them, their vote meant stopping immigration.

On the one hand, you tell pete you don't think he speaks for the majority of leavers, then proceed to say, with certainty given your choice of words, that for the majority of leavers, 'their vote meant stopping immigration'.

What's it to be, bobby? If you tell pete he doesn't speak for the majority of leavers, then you cannot, in turn, make the statement you did, as YOU are then presuming to speak for the majority of leavers. When in fact you don't...

 

[peteblue]

Japan (world's 3rd largest economy) just completed a free trade agreement with the EU in July though?
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40520218

You can't eat New Zealand lamb because with a free trade agreement with NZ, many UK farmers are doomed http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-38831023

Brexit panicked the EU into doing a Japan deal, to which incidentally we will be a sovereign signatory just like every other EU deal. However, the proof is always in the pudding, standards, state aid etc etc, and this is even before the vested interests of car and rail manufacturers, Germany, Italy, Spain and France, start picking it to pieces.

We always ate NZ lamb, no ifs no buts. Our farms have adjusted to where we are today, but that was as a result of being in the EEC. However, we still import food and the Commonwealth can easily provide this......

 

[peteblue]

On the one hand, you tell pete you don't think he speaks for the majority of leavers, then proceed to say, with certainty given your choice of words, that for the majority of leavers, 'their vote meant stopping immigration'.

What's it to be, bobby? If you tell pete he doesn't speak for the majority of leavers, then you cannot, in turn, make the statement you did, as YOU are then presuming to speak for the majority of leavers. When in fact you don't...

It's a trap we all fall into tbf......

 

[bobbydigital]

On the one hand, you tell pete you don't think he speaks for the majority of leavers, then proceed to say, with certainty given your choice of words, that for the majority of leavers, 'their vote meant stopping immigration'.

What's it to be, bobby? If you tell pete he doesn't speak for the majority of leavers, then you cannot, in turn, make the statement you did, as YOU are then presuming to speak for the majority of leavers. When in fact you don't...

Quote directly from Nigel Farage (remember him) "It is clear that immigration is the number one issue and concern for the British people and will be the defining issue of this EU referendum campaign."

Is that clear enough for you. The guy that lead the whole campaign saying exactly what it was based on? What other evidence do you want?

 

[peteblue]

Quote directly from Nigel Farage (remember him) "It is clear that immigration is the number one issue and concern for the British people and will be the defining issue of this EU referendum campaign."

Is that clear enough for you. The guy that lead the whole campaign saying exactly what it was based on? What other evidence do you want?

This is a road to nowhere, we need to address the future......

 

[edge]

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First thing my late mother noticed in the 1970's that and cheap Australia butter!

Interesting fact New Zealand lamb has a shelf life more than twice that of Welsh lamb, due to stricter laws governing , there food chain , and movement of the animals ect they have less bacteria present within the meat.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Quote directly from Nigel Farage (remember him) "It is clear that immigration is the number one issue and concern for the British people and will be the defining issue of this EU referendum campaign."

Is that clear enough for you. The guy that lead the whole campaign saying exactly what it was based on? What other evidence do you want?

So the whole 17 million plus jumped to the words of Farage now? His singular statement is compelling evidence for 17 million plus? Don't make me laugh...

Also, you didn't answer my point. You called pete out on something, and then did exactly the same thing yourself. Couldn't you see that simple point? Or did you just ignore it because you didn't have an answer...?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

On the one hand, you tell pete you don't think he speaks for the majority of leavers, then proceed to say, with certainty given your choice of words, that for the majority of leavers, 'their vote meant stopping immigration'.

What's it to be, bobby? If you tell pete he doesn't speak for the majority of leavers, then you cannot, in turn, make the statement you did, as YOU are then presuming to speak for the majority of leavers. When in fact you don't...

Why are so many Leave voters seemingly ashamed of this simple reality?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...in-reason-european-union-survey-a7811651.html


You'd better have a word with May as well, as she said the same thing..

Cue: they didn't ask all 17 million.....snooze