Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Paul w said:
Have we left yet?Asking for a friend like.
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Not yet, hopefully the dinosaurs and bigots that voted for it will have shuffled off this mortal coil
(Yes that's a Marine A reference) by the time it comes to pass and we can just apologise and move on in a multicultural society
 
jal123 said:
Not yet, hopefully the dinosaurs and bigots that voted for it will have shuffled off this mortal coil
(Yes that's a Marine A reference) by the time it comes to pass and we can just apologise and move on in a multicultural society
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You'll get your chance to vote to rejoin, don't worry, but you won't .......
 
Ruairi77 said:
Interesting read on the NI/IRL border
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...on-the-irish-border-the-uks-brexit-blind-spot
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"There is a catch-22 here: the UK cannot talk trade without a border deal and it cannot fix the border problem until it knows what the trade situation will be. Mr Barnier knows this, which is why he emphasises the integrity of the Good Friday peace agreement – drafted in terms that presume UK membership of the EU – more than the final status of the border, although the two are linked.

The EU’s interest in the Good Friday agreement goes beyond legal technicality. It is an axiom of the European project that membership elides borders, fostering mutual economic interdependency and prosperity, thereby advancing peace among nations. That is a foundational principle as keenly felt in Brussels as it is misunderstood in London."

Yet the EU have decried the UK offer of an open border, will not make any proposal of their own, will not discuss trade in parallel. Their concern is about our money and are doing nothing constructive, hoping that we remain with the EU or that NI decides to leave the U.K. It is cynical and destructive........
 
peteblue said:
"There is a catch-22 here: the UK cannot talk trade without a border deal and it cannot fix the border problem until it knows what the trade situation will be. Mr Barnier knows this, which is why he emphasises the integrity of the Good Friday peace agreement – drafted in terms that presume UK membership of the EU – more than the final status of the border, although the two are linked.

The EU’s interest in the Good Friday agreement goes beyond legal technicality. It is an axiom of the European project that membership elides borders, fostering mutual economic interdependency and prosperity, thereby advancing peace among nations. That is a foundational principle as keenly felt in Brussels as it is misunderstood in London."

Yet the EU have decried the UK offer of an open border, will not make any proposal of their own, will not discuss trade in parallel. Their concern is about our money and are doing nothing constructive, hoping that we remain with the EU or that NI decides to leave the U.K. It is cynical and destructive........
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I've seen it all now.
 
peteblue said:
Good. Did you understand any of it......
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Was that a question or a musing?


See what you and OB 2 have got in common is you like to pretend you're on a different intellectual level than the rest of us, like you are the only lads who have cottoned on to what is happening, the problem is you two are the only ones on here who believe the drivel you both post.

I respect you Pete, as I've told you many times... your mate less so but still, we are all entitled to our opinion.
 
peteblue said:
"There is a catch-22 here: the UK cannot talk trade without a border deal and it cannot fix the border problem until it knows what the trade situation will be. Mr Barnier knows this, which is why he emphasises the integrity of the Good Friday peace agreement – drafted in terms that presume UK membership of the EU – more than the final status of the border, although the two are linked.

The EU’s interest in the Good Friday agreement goes beyond legal technicality. It is an axiom of the European project that membership elides borders, fostering mutual economic interdependency and prosperity, thereby advancing peace among nations. That is a foundational principle as keenly felt in Brussels as it is misunderstood in London."

Yet the EU have decried the UK offer of an open border, will not make any proposal of their own, will not discuss trade in parallel. Their concern is about our money and are doing nothing constructive, hoping that we remain with the EU or that NI decides to leave the U.K. It is cynical and destructive........
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peteblue said:
"There is a catch-22 here: the UK cannot talk trade without a border deal and it cannot fix the border problem until it knows what the trade situation will be. Mr Barnier knows this, which is why he emphasises the integrity of the Good Friday peace agreement – drafted in terms that presume UK membership of the EU – more than the final status of the border, although the two are linked.

The EU’s interest in the Good Friday agreement goes beyond legal technicality. It is an axiom of the European project that membership elides borders, fostering mutual economic interdependency and prosperity, thereby advancing peace among nations. That is a foundational principle as keenly felt in Brussels as it is misunderstood in London."

Yet the EU have decried the UK offer of an open border, will not make any proposal of their own, will not discuss trade in parallel. Their concern is about our money and are doing nothing constructive, hoping that we remain with the EU or that NI decides to leave the U.K. It is cynical and destructive........
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Do you honestly think that was a serious workable offer. They are just positioning themselves to avoid taking responsibility for their actions. Most can see through this, Pete.
 
Old Blue 2 said:
roydo,

This has all been gone over before, and you are falling into the repetition, repetition, repetition trap...

Political independence, why not. Do YOU want to be dictated to by EU bureaucrats like Juncker, and that turd presently in charge of EU negotiations? Do you? Really?

Again, at the risk of beating the proverbial, it has been gone over many times that Cameron did not do a single second of planning for a leave vote. Why? Well, you ask him, but I susect he was smug enough to believe that his chosen path of remain would carry the day and therefore did zilch planning for the other eventuality. That can be firmly laid at Cameron's feet. In retrospect, well, if I wrote exactly what I thought of him as a person and a PM, I would get banned...

If the surveys are correct, then yes young = remain, my generation = leave. If you want a personal view, I get the impression that my generation (teenagers in the 1960s) were subjected to change in the 1960s the like of which had almost certainly never been seen before, and probably has never been seen since. I'm not saying that is a good or bad thing, just saying that it llikely formed part of the psyche of that generation. With regard to my children's generation, and the present generation of youngsters, I perceive a trait of wanting to remain within present comfort zones. That not expressing it very well, I concede, but perhaps you get my drift.

Enjoyed the fruits of all that 40 years??? How old are you, roydo? Tell me about the fruits of 15% interest rates, and over 3 million unemployed. Tell me about the destruction of the steel industry, and the mining industry, and the docks industry. Have you ever sat on an interviewing recruitment panel for 2 weeks at a time interviewing young hopefuls chasing a meagre number of jobs? Driven home desolate every night in that time knowing that the good kids you interviewed that day had little to no chance of getting the 2 or 3 jobs because there were better candidates? Please, call me all the names you like, take the piss, take my points apart, but don't tell me I went through 'the fruits' of the 1980s with a wife and two young children to bring up in those terrible times...
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"I don't rant"
 
Old Blue 2 said:
1. That was one of many issues. You cannot claim definitively was the sole reason. That is not logical.

2. For some on here it was trumpeted as so.

3. A vote to leave necessarily meant that a whole slew of things would be up for negotiation. Are you surprised about that?

4. Lies were told by both sides, and well you know it. From Osbourne to the head of the Bank of England!

5. No bobby, I didn't. I simply challenged you on this assertion in your post #20194, page 1347: "...but I don't think you speak for the majority of leavers, who for them, their vote meant stopping immigration...." These are your words, not mine. And I didn't rant (you seem to have a thing about the word 'rant').

6. I thought the discussion was going along on a reasonable basis. Pity you had to start denigrating me. I will not do the same to you.

7. You have asked for my opinion on this one, bobby, so I'll give it, but it is no more valid than anyone else's. It's difficult to see exactly what the future holds, and that applies across the complete raft of issues. As far as trade agreements go, I believe it should be a case of making those agreements outwith countries insisting on free movement of people. I do not believe the two are compatible (my opinion again). I bellieve the stance of the Government, post-Brexit, (and again, it's only my view and it may be incorrect) is that there is no automatic right to just walk into the UK (such as is the case with EU citizens at present) any more. There are underlying issues connected to that, which have been expressed in this thread previously. Cheap labour from certain countries driving down wages, for example, which the employers are all too happy to do, as it means more dosh goes into their arse pockets. A sensitive subject no doubt, and I cannot claim to have the answer. And there are undoubtedly others. Farming industry, fishing industry, exchange rates, etc.. It's complicated, but then life has always been so...
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This all gets a bit tedious if you are going to change what I say then argue against that. You need to understand there is a difference between majority and all, biggest and sole etc.

Anyway, appreciate point 7 and didn't mean to offend. The simple minds easily amused bit was a mere tongue in cheek response to you saying it amuses you that people who don't have enough "noous" can't understand your points. This amused me a lot, so let's all be amused and enjoy the weekend champ.
 
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