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    Votes: 688 67.9%
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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You lot are becoming a parody of yourselves now.

Leave it to the experts!

The same ones who said 'the people are fed up of experts'



You lot, all of you, have destroyed this country as an economic power, as a nation that people were lucky to be born in.

Luckily for you fellas, you'll be long gone by the time the shhh really hits the fan, so it will be us, and our kids, and our kids kids that suffer.

But at least you lot got what you wanted.


And you personally know it all? Yeah right, dream on. YOU, and others like you, are the parodies in this thread. For 14 months now. Still, carry on enjoying your crying...

And you really wanted to be dictated to by Germany via Brussels ad infinitum? Giving Adolf in peacetime what he couldn't achieve in war. Some people...
 
And you personally know it all? Yeah right, dream on. YOU, and others like you, are the parodies in this thread. For 14 months now. Still, carry on enjoying your crying...

And you really wanted to be dictated to by Germany via Brussels ad infinitum? Giving Adolf in peacetime what he couldn't achieve in war. Some people...
Haaaaahahahahaha Germany have never dictated anything to me in my life.

You need to swerve the Britain First Facebook page for a while.


Are you from Liverpool, out of interest?
 
Haaaaahahahahaha Germany have never dictated anything to me in my life.

You need to swerve the Britain First Facebook page for a while.


Are you from Liverpool, out of interest?


1. You need to wake up to the reality of how the EU presently runs.

2. Having voted Labour all my life and will do forever, you are stupidly wide of the mark with your sarcastic comment. I'm probably more left-wing than you will ever be.

3. Kirkdale. One of the roads off Rumney Road. Know where that is? Used to walk up to Goodison via Goodall Street, cross Walton Road. Was on the Gwladys Street seeing us win titles from the 1960s onwards. At Wembley in '66 & '84, and unfortunately in '86. Probably something you've never seen given your puerile comments...

4. Put yer dummy back in yer gob and climb back into yer cot, child...

Bored with your kind. Had enough fun for tonight with you lot. Rise to the bait, every time. Hilarious!!! Status quo, status quo, status quo... You rock-hard armchair warriors absolutely entertain me
 
1. You need to wake up to the reality of how the EU presently runs.

2. Having voted Labour all my life and will do forever, you are stupidly wide of the mark with your sarcastic comment. I'm probably more left-wing than you will ever be.

3. Kirkdale. One of the roads off Rumney Road. Know where that is? Used to walk up to Goodison via Goodall Street, cross Walton Road. Was on the Gwladys Street seeing us win titles from the 1960s onwards. At Wembley in '66 & '84, and unfortunately in '86. Probably something you've never seen given your puerile comments...

4. Put yer dummy back in yer gob and climb back into yer cot, child...

Bored with your kind. Had enough fun for tonight with you lot. Rise to the bait, every time. Hilarious!!! Status quo, status quo, status quo... You rock-hard armchair warriors absolutely entertain me

You're a very angry man, I was merely going to ask if you could explain what the EU has funded in our great city over the last 20 years or so not the route you used to take to the match. Or what games you've attended, or what pubs you play in with your shitty covers band full of balding pensioners.

Never asked you who you vote for, or how left wing you are, so I'm not sure why you decided to include this.

You are an obnoxious, sad old man though, I know that much.

Enjoy your night pulling your plonker over winding up the libtards and snow flakes on a footy forum, old man, hope you enjoy playing eagles covers at a snide boozer tomorrow night pretending you're a rockstar at your age x
 
You're a very angry man, I was merely going to ask if you could explain what the EU has funded in our great city over the last 20 years or so not the route you used to take to the match. Or what games you've attended, or what pubs you play in with your shitty covers band full of balding pensioners.

Never asked you who you vote for, or how left wing you are, so I'm not sure why you decided to include this.

You are an obnoxious, sad old man though, I know that much.

Enjoy your night pulling your plonker over winding up the libtards and snow flakes on a footy forum, old man, hope you enjoy playing eagles covers at a snide boozer tomorrow night pretending you're a rockstar at your age x

The EU have funded nothing. The UK has given the EU money, some of which they have given back. This nonsense that the EU gives us money needs to be knocked on the head. We have given them hundreds of £Billions, very little of which has come back. Our money has been developing the other 27 EU countries for years.....
 
Another one who appears to have the complete inside track 100% on everything connected with us leaving the EU.

Sheesh...!

There was no plan before the vote and you must have been able to form an opinion on how it would work out in order to vote leave right?
Why are you so angry with people forming an opinion on the decision 14 months later based on the evidence of what has happened so far?
 
Why are you so angry with people forming an opinion on the decision 14 months later based on the evidence of what has happened so far?
You're a very angry man
You go into a rage of diatribe, swear and come across generally on the edge. There's a difference between debating with direct language and flying off the handle and being generally aggressive.

OB2, I'm not sure if you're picking up a trend in people's responses to you, but you're generally perceived as being the angriest poster on the forum. You get so irate about any remain voter expressing any opinion, I think you should probably take a break from this forum for the sake of your own health.
 
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Friday triggered a furious reaction from Poland after he attacked Warsaw for rejecting tough proposals to overhaul a controversial EU rule on cheap labour.
"Poland today is not a country that can show Europe the way, it's a country that has decided to go against European interests in many areas," Macron told a press conference in the coastal city of Varna in Bulgaria.

"Europe was built on public freedoms that Poland violates... It is placing itself on the margins of Europe's future history," said the centrist president who took office in May.

His remarks drew the ire of Polish Prime Minister Beata Szydlo.

"Perhaps (Macron's) arrogant comments result from lack of political experience, which I can understand, but I expect that he will make up for this shortcoming and will be more restrained in the future," she told the
right-wing wPolityce.pl news website on Friday."

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170826/france-and-poland-clash-over-eu-cheap-labour-rule

I'm sure a two year fudge will result, but Macron is really taking to this 'France and Germany lead' stance.......
 
So a trade deficit is not a problem, so using your logic therefore a surplus is not an advantage either, strange world. We currently run a surplus with non EU trade, trade which is already higher than that with the EU. The chart indicates those countries who have the most to lose, if no deal is put in place or if we go to WTO rules. My second point was that the EU have gained a surplus from the year 2000 of over £641Bn in trading with the U.K. and we paid in over £200Bn for the pleasure. We have a once in a lifetime opportunity to escape this sclerotic straightjacket and spend our time and energies developing new opportunities, without having 27 other countries having a vote on it, while the EU can get used to the fact that we will be their largest export market in the world and perhaps they may wish it to continue in a sensible manner....

I still wonder if you can answer my questions. Why are trade deficits necessarily bad, and how on earth will leaving the EU address this?

You seem to be thinking about this like an imperial-age mercantilist. The world hasn't worked that way for a long time.

Essentially: Trade surplus = you trade goods and services you produce for someone else's pieces of paper
Trade deficit = you trade pieces of paper for the goods and services someone else produces

You have a 100% trade deficit with your grocery store... but since this enables you to survive, it is obviously not a bad thing.

Similarly, Britain is a small, cold, and relatively remote island. If it no longer imported items from the rest of the world, it would be a truly miserable place to live. The standard of living would drop tremendously. The ability to instead access French wine, German cars and machinery, Spanish and Italian foods etc, is clearly not a bad thing.

A trade surplus, meanwhile, necessarily results in lower external consumption - ie: lower material well-bring . Germany's trade surplus is partly because demand for top-quality German products is high, but also because of German labour reforms and tight-monetary efforts, which make it more difficult for Germans to consume products from abroad.

Britain produces less of what EU countries want to consume than Germany does, but this has nothing to do with its EU membership, and everything to do with decades of terrible industrial policy, mostly under Thatcher. Leaving the EU will do very little to address this.

And anyhow, before Brexit, the ability to import the EU items which people enjoy was never a problem because of the UK's corresponding stronger currency. By destroying the value of the Pound, all that Brexit is doing is making the EU items which people enjoy, and which raise our material standard of living, and for which the UK has no domestic alternatives, less accessible. "Shrinkflation," to use one of the lazy portmanteaus that define our stupid times.

Meanwhile, as you yourself point out, the trade deficit has reached historic proportions, and it only continues to grow, despite the collapse of the Pound which lowers the cost of UK goods for European consumers.

In short, in the age of floating currency exchange rates, a trade deficit can be but is not necessarily a bad thing - the US has one, Canada has one, Australia has one, France has one, and it was never a problem for Britain until Brexit - and in any case, if it were a problem, Brexit would only compound this rather than solve it.

Awaiting your rant in response about something completely unrelated, taken out of context, which will make me regret the time it took attempting to explain all this...
 
Nice to see Labour have at least formally recognised the economic lunacy of Brexit, but they've done it in the wrong way. It'll confuse rather than clarify.

I think they want to bin it, but won't be in power by the time the deadline runs out, so are setting their stall instead.

Either way, things are falling into place which may hopefully mean we step back from the abyss and Brexit never happens.
 
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