Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Brennan]

Oh, ok.

Just talk down our own....We're all lazy and watch Jeremy Kyle rather than go to work picking fruit for £3 an hour after board & lodgings...

Not what was said is it.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

If nothing else we can have a laugh at his expense if/when he takes over.

Ermmmm...

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Not what was said is it.

What was implied.

 

[Brennan]

What was implied.

Not at all. He was stating a fact. Facts cannot be racist.

And your stuff about Jeremy Kyle is just diversionary tosh.

 

[jal123]

Just seen a video on facebook of Boris Johnson, made me chuckle at least.

Playing like a demo rugby game and just completely barges through some little kid and sends him flying.

If nothing else we can have a laugh at his expense if/when he takes over.

Absolutely not, you are NOT getting it. This man isn't a lovable buffoon or someone to poke fun at. He is a very dangerous man, a man who despises Liverpool and its inhabitants.
Wake up ash you seem to think this is all a bit of fun, it isn't.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Wouldn't argue with that, but that's probably only true for the people with degrees or the like. I suspect the subset of your social circle which includes EU migrants is more likely to include well educated migrants than the alternative and so your viewpoint is likely to be skewed !

The fact remains, as per my original statement, is that a lot of the people voting to Leave believe EU migrants are taking "their" jobs and are putting pressure on services. I don't subscribe to the former very much, though the latter has some validity.

There seems to be an idea that by closing the doors to EU migrants and putting in place a points system the problem will be solved. I just think it means there won't be enough people available to fill the low-skilled jobs and then we either choose not to do that work, or we have to relax immigration policies to allow people into the country to do those low-skilled jobs.

Oh for sure, it's not a representative sample at all. It just seems we're living in cloud cuckoo land with regards to migrants. I've seen estimates that to stabilise the UK population, immigration would need to be ~ 50,000 per year. Immigration from outside the EU, ie countries that we can already control with our Australian style points system rollocks, is currently ~300,000 people per year.

Are people seriously thinking that leaving the EU is going to pull some kind of magic trick?

 

[Ashtonian]

Absolutely not, you are NOT getting it. This man isn't a lovable buffoon or someone to poke fun at. He is a very dangerous man, a man who despises Liverpool and its inhabitants.
Wake up ash you seem to think this is all a bit of fun, it isn't.

The thing is, why does he despise liverpool? Because from that quote of his i don't see a man who can't stand the city but someone simply with a ignorant and steriotyped view of us instead. Which he isn't alone in that, hence why paper sales are rock bottom in the city if you print a certain one.

Does that quote make him any different to any other tory? Or southerner?

I'm not defending him here i am looking at it from a common sense perspective, if you are going to hate the guy then at least see why you hate him.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The one with the work ethic and aptitude, perhaps?

Or do people with degrees have a monopoly on both?

Of course not, but skilled jobs tend to require skills. I mean I'm sure Jordan Henderson has a fantastic work ethic and aptitude...

 

[orly]

I dont think he sounds to bad when I listen to him but and its a bit but , can you see him winning an election , deep down I cant ever see that happening, so it begs the question what is he doing in the job.
Everybody said the last fella was a dud as far as winning was concerned and they were proved correct labour should have learned from that or they will just be a protest debating group on the fringes of real power.

Honestly if he had been a real man of principle he'd have gone with Leave - he's been anti EU all his career and has built his wider Cabinet out of it. There were suggestions in the run up to it his non-committal attitude to it was the sign of him playing the greater game; if he has done that, fair play to him, he has won. In fact I'm not sure he'd be that mortified about getting the shove.

Labour need someone to emerge from somewhere, not Umuna or whatever with his Big 4 skeletons all over the shop history, but someone to take the party in a proper, opposition direction. At the moment it's oblivion .

Nobody wins out of last night bar Farage, a cleverer more palatable version of Nick Griffin. Johnson has had the air of someone who has suddenly found himself having to try and celebrate the one thing he didn't want to happen (you don't rever Charlemange as a historian then truly belive in Leave as a person) and the serious heads will be very, very worried at this stage. Just look at his comments from 2013. Someone has told him "look, oppose the prime minister here to show you mean business, you won't win but that's fine, you've got better days to come". Now he'd be taking on the biggest trade headache in God knows how long.

 

[arminisgod]

Honest question. Why is it Corbyn's fault? The Tories used the referendum as a vote winner for the last election and Dave was unable to win, thus commiting political suicide. How is that Labours fault when they wouldn't have given the people the choice?

im a member of the Labour party and voted out. Corbyn did nothing to persuade me to stay in the Remain camp. Tony Blair would have had everyone voting in (personal opinions on him beside) because he was an excellent politician and speaker.

Corbyn stands for everything a want... but has lost me to Boris Johnson.

For that he should be scaked

 

[orly]

I refer you to my post above that referred to what his actual position was.

He said there were a lot of things wrong with the EU (which there are), that he would seek reforms based on what he saw wrong with it (which he would have), but that blaming immigrants was nonsense because there are no restrictions we could put on EU migration whilst in the single market (which is correct), that it would be daft to anyway whilst a single market exists (also correct, look at what has happened in the US), and that the problems immigration causes can only be tackled by greater investment in those areas of the country experiencing problems (which is obvious) and by paying people fairly (again, obvious).

The PLP and its hangers on are criticizing him because he did not lie to the electorate. If that means he isn't credible, then I don't want a credible leader.

Whoa mate fair play to you but I utterly disagree with everything in that post. We'd go round in circles all day.

 

[tsubaki]

Honestly if he had been a real man of principle he'd have gone with Leave - he's been anti EU all his career and has built his wider Cabinet out of it. There were suggestions in the run up to it his non-committal attitude to it was the sign of him playing the greater game; if he has done that, fair play to him, he has won. In fact I'm not sure he'd be that mortified about getting the shove.

Labour need someone to emerge from somewhere, not Umuna or whatever with his Big 4 skeletons all over the shop history, but someone to take the party in a proper, opposition direction. At the moment it's oblivion .

Nobody wins out of last night bar Farage, a cleverer more palatable version of Nick Griffin. Johnson has had the air of someone who has suddenly found himself having to try and celebrate the one thing he didn't want to happen (you don't rever Charlemange as a historian then truly belive in Leave as a person) and the serious heads will be very, very worried at this stage.

Labour's problem is that, thanks to Blair, there isn't that white knight in the ranks of the PLP that can rescue them - the thumping victory for Corbyn last summer proves that.

As for Farage, he may be happy today but that will not last long. The reason for UKIP's existence now no longer exists - which means it will lose all of its MEPs (and the money they brought in), its biggest funder (Banks, who now has the out vote he paid for) and the internal contradictions of the party will become obvious.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Facts cannot be racist.

No?

Oh, ok then.

This man isn't a lovable buffoon or someone to poke fun at. He is a very dangerous man, a man who despises Liverpool and its inhabitants.

As I said, what tory doesn't? There's a labour MP didn't know who Bill Shankly was, didn't know Everton was in the city, couldn't name another district other than Wavertree...

It's not just the tories hate liverpool, there's labour voters daan sarf couldn't give a feck neither...

 

[Connor]

Terrifying the amount of people who will fall for Johnson and his loveable buffoon routine.

He is awfully dangerous.

 

[tsubaki]

im a member of the Labour party and voted out. Corbyn did nothing to persuade me to stay in the Remain camp. Tony Blair would have had everyone voting in (personal opinions on him beside) because he was an excellent politician and speaker.

Corbyn stands for everything a want... but has lost me to Boris Johnson.

For that he should be scaked

Seriously, examine what you have typed here. You are blaming Corbyn because he didn't lie to you.