Current Affairs EU In or Out

[The Mighty Quint]

It comes down to luck of the draw doesn't it, you have it a lot easier than them. Unless you're suggesting the average Brit works harder than the average Southern European person. You have no clue what the people in those countries have been through, through little fault of their own.

The people in this country should be kinder, but the lesson they're about to learn will live in the memory of a few good generations to come.

We can't cope with the numbers coming here, our infrastu

16% of the workforce are foreign. They've had as much of a say in our economy as anyone else. Given that I think 80% of new jobs since 2010 have been created in London though, I'm sure you'll be in full agreement that we should strictly veto any scruff from the rest of the country that wants to come and work here. Only the best and all that. Show us your qualifications.

Yeap, that's the way those racist Americans and Aussies run their countries, seems to suit them fine, if you want to come here have something to give we need and prove you will not be a burden.

 

[Catfish Blues]

I would be willing to place decent odds that the social mobility of migrants is considerably higher than the native population as a result, certainly when comparing them to natives also in low skilled work.

Wouldn't argue with that, but that's probably only true for the people with degrees or the like. I suspect the subset of your social circle which includes EU migrants is more likely to include well educated migrants than the alternative and so your viewpoint is likely to be skewed !

The fact remains, as per my original statement, is that a lot of the people voting to Leave believe EU migrants are taking "their" jobs and are putting pressure on services. I don't subscribe to the former very much, though the latter has some validity.

There seems to be an idea that by closing the doors to EU migrants and putting in place a points system the problem will be solved. I just think it means there won't be enough people available to fill the low-skilled jobs and then we either choose not to do that work, or we have to relax immigration policies to allow people into the country to do those low-skilled jobs.

 

[Minimeister]

This is the anti-Corbyn argument that does my head in the most, to be honest. What does "credible" mean in this context?

It seems, based on who is deemed as credible, that they are the sort of person whose lies you would believe. That is not what Labour or the country needs.

Absolutely agree mate. At the last election Cameron lied about amongst other things, child credit yet somehow he is more 'credible'. I just don't see it, I would trust Corby before any of the other salesmen.

 

[Toast]

I've got an EU little badge thing on my cars number plate.

Can everton make some boss little stickers of our badge to stick over it please ?

I know the club read GOT.

 

[orly]

Absolutely agree mate. At the last election Cameron lied about amongst other things, child credit yet somehow he is more 'credible'. I just don't see it, I would trust Corby before any of the other salesmen.

Mate he has just come off the back of 30 years of anti-EU campaigning to side very unconvincingly with the Remain campaign. He's a duplicitous as the rest of them

 

[Catfish Blues]

Good point mate.

However I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that it helped convince a majority of voters.

A small minority maybe, but a majority ? No.

I'm not sure what part of the UK you live in, but I'd say that here in the North-West the effect of IS and Muslims in general on peoples votes in this referendum has been minimal and very much down the pecking order.

 

[tsubaki]

Mate he has just come off the back of 30 years of anti-EU campaigning to side very unconvincingly with the Remain campaign. He's a duplicitous as the rest of them

I refer you to my post above that referred to what his actual position was.

He said there were a lot of things wrong with the EU (which there are), that he would seek reforms based on what he saw wrong with it (which he would have), but that blaming immigrants was nonsense because there are no restrictions we could put on EU migration whilst in the single market (which is correct), that it would be daft to anyway whilst a single market exists (also correct, look at what has happened in the US), and that the problems immigration causes can only be tackled by greater investment in those areas of the country experiencing problems (which is obvious) and by paying people fairly (again, obvious).

The PLP and its hangers on are criticizing him because he did not lie to the electorate. If that means he isn't credible, then I don't want a credible leader.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I would be willing to place decent odds that the social mobility of migrants is considerably higher than the native population as a result,

If THAT'S not racist, I don't know what is.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I refer you to my post above that referred to what his actual position was.

He said there were a lot of things wrong with the EU (which there are), that he would seek reforms based on what he saw wrong with it (which he would have), but that blaming immigrants was nonsense because there are no restrictions we could put on EU migration whilst in the single market (which is correct), that it would be daft to anyway whilst a single market exists (also correct, look at what has happened in the US), and that the problems immigration causes can only be tackled by greater investment in those areas of the country experiencing problems (which is obvious) and by paying people fairly (again, obvious).

The PLP and its hangers on are criticizing him because he did not lie to the electorate. If that means he isn't credible, then I don't want a credible leader.

Aye.

Any excuse...And I'm tired of corbyn meself.

 

[Brennan]

If THAT'S not racist, I don't know what is.

It's not.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

It's not.

Oh, ok.

Just talk down our own....We're all lazy and watch Jeremy Kyle rather than go to work picking fruit for £3 an hour after board & lodgings...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We can't cope with the numbers coming here, our infrastu
Yeap, that's the way those racist Americans and Aussies run their countries, seems to suit them fine, if you want to come here have something to give we need and prove you will not be a burden.

As has been said many times before this week, the majority of UK immigrants come from outside the EU, so they're people that we already have the ability to 'manage'. The stats suggest that such migrants tend to be less well qualified than their EU peers. If what you suggest is true, it begs the question why we haven't done a better job of managing those that we already have the tools to manage?

If THAT'S not racist, I don't know what is.

Two people in a low-skilled job, one has a degree, the other doesn't. Who do you reckon has the better chance of progressing to a better job?

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Two people in a low-skilled job, one has a degree, the other doesn't. Who do you reckon has the better chance of progressing to a better job?

The one with the work ethic and aptitude, perhaps?

Or do people with degrees have a monopoly on both?

 

[Ashtonian]

Just seen a video on facebook of Boris Johnson, made me chuckle at least.

Playing like a demo rugby game and just completely barges through some little kid and sends him flying.

If nothing else we can have a laugh at his expense if/when he takes over.

 

[edge]

Mate he has just come off the back of 30 years of anti-EU campaigning to side very unconvincingly with the Remain campaign. He's a duplicitous as the rest of them

I dont think he sounds to bad when I listen to him but and its a bit but , can you see him winning an election , deep down I cant ever see that happening, so it begs the question what is he doing in the job.
Everybody said the last fella was a dud as far as winning was concerned and they were proved correct labour should have learned from that or they will just be a protest debating group on the fringes of real power.