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    Votes: 688 67.9%
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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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No?

Oh, ok then.



As I said, what tory doesn't? There's a labour MP didn't know who Bill Shankly was, didn't know Everton was in the city, couldn't name another district other than Wavertree...

It's not just the tories hate liverpool, there's labour voters daan sarf couldn't give a feck neither...
All true, but labour voters down south aren't in a position to destroy the city.

Incidentally do you know who doesn't hate Liverpool? Who adores Liverpool? Who has put more into this city than any Govt of the country?

The EU, and now they're gone, who have we got?
 
Labour's problem is that, thanks to Blair, there isn't that white knight in the ranks of the PLP that can rescue them - the thumping victory for Corbyn last summer proves that.

As for Farage, he may be happy today but that will not last long. The reason for UKIP's existence now no longer exists - which means it will lose all of its MEPs (and the money they brought in), its biggest funder (Banks, who now has the out vote he paid for) and the internal contradictions of the party will become obvious.

Again mate, don't agree. Carswell is so furious today because he was the one steering UKIP back towards the centre right, and now he is the sole ministerial representative for the acceptable face of xenophobia in this country. Farage has used him like a Trojan horse and now he's realised that he has been totally Kippered.

UKIP now has a mandate to shift even further right - look at those comments about the NHS already - and will now switch its support to a deeply loathsome groundswell of hate.

This referendum was the last gamble- Farage was gone here, Thanet should have done for him but he had this to cling to - but now they are utterly in soak. It's very grim stuff.
 
Seriously, examine what you have typed here. You are blaming Corbyn because he didn't lie to you.

Depends what you mean - for all those years leading up to the Referendum you're right, young Jeremy was ultra honest.
 
This is the anti-Corbyn argument that does my head in the most, to be honest. What does "credible" mean in this context?

It seems, based on who is deemed as credible, that they are the sort of person whose lies you would believe. That is not what Labour or the country needs.

I read "credible" as, "Can they get enough mass support to win an election?"

I like Corbyn, but I can't see him winning an election. He's too principled and passionate about a certain side of the fence

Shame that having principles puts people off voting for you, but that's the world we live in I suppose

It's why the Democrats went with Hilary over Bernie Sanders

A "credible" leader would be someone like Andy Burnham. Clearly to the left of the spectrum but without moving so far from the centre ground as to worry the general populous

It's why more focused right wingers like Howard and IDS didn't win where Cameron did. Cameron was just middle ground and slick enough to win. He was all catchphrases and photo ops

That's what people want today

You also have to remember that a lot of older voters still remember the Cold War and aren't exactly thrilled when they hear the word socialism bandied around. It makes them think of communism, and that isn't popular

It's something Labour have struggled with since the 70's, which is why Blair and his ilk were so keen to distance themselves from it and hang on to the centre ground for dear life

And, as much as I like Corbyn, I don't see him orchastrating a key philiosophical change to the way the general electorate votes and feels

Someone like Burnham would be less up front about it (essentially "socialism via stealth") and would have a better chance of getting into power

British people, as a majority, just aren't prepared to accept socialism en masse. They want the best deal for them and will vote accordingly. They believe that left wing parties aren't capable of handling the economy and, when push comes to shove, your average swing voter will ALWAYS vote with their wallet
 
All true, but labour voters down south aren't in a position to destroy the city.
No, they're not. They're the types that are London centric, balls to the north, they're as regional as you & me. No interest in the nation as a whole.

Incidentally do you know who doesn't hate Liverpool? Who adores Liverpool? Who has put more into this city than any Govt of the country?

The EU, and now they're gone, who have we got?

Used to think that way meself.

Then I got wise to the fact that it was UK money, told to be spent on Liverpool that did it.

No-one like us. North or South. But we're here so they best deal with it, because we can still throw a spanner in the works.
 
luciana berger didn't know who bill shankly was....didn't know there was two clubs in the city...but she's a good MP, apparently.

I don't care on the football point I merely mentioned it , as I said , as he'd mentioned football in his criticism of Cameron. I'm much more concerned with the multitude of actual flaws in his 'character' hidden behind his jovial friendly Latin quoting eccentric exterior .
 
I read "credible" as, "Can they get enough mass support to win an election?"

I like Corbyn, but I can't see him winning an election. He's too principled and passionate about a certain side of the fence

Shame that having principles puts people off voting for you, but that's the world we live in I suppose

It's why the Democrats went with Hilary over Bernie Sanders

A "credible" leader would be someone like Andy Burnham. Clearly to the left of the spectrum but without moving so far from the centre ground as to worry the general populous

It's why more focused right wingers like Howard and IDS didn't win where Cameron did. Cameron was just middle ground and slick enough to win. He was all catchphrases and photo ops

That's what people want today

You also have to remember that a lot of older voters still remember the Cold War and aren't exactly thrilled when they hear the word socialism bandied around. It makes them think of communism, and that isn't popular

It's something Labour have struggled with since the 70's, which is why Blair and his ilk were so keen to distance themselves from it and hang on to the centre ground for dear life

And, as much as I like Corbyn, I don't see him orchastrating a key philiosophical change to the way the general electorate votes and feels

Someone like Burnham would be less up front about it (essentially "socialism via stealth") and would have a better chance of getting into power

British people, as a majority, just aren't prepared to accept socialism en masse. They want the best deal for them and will vote accordingly. They believe that left wing parties aren't capable of handling the economy and, when push comes to shove, your average swing voter will ALWAYS vote with their wallet
Good post that mikey. Just hope the party listens and dosnt just bury its head and hope for the best.
 
In regards to corbyn.

He didn't call for the referendum, he didn't become the face of the remain campaign and he didn't put himself out there to effectively make him a leader not worth followin by losing.

I mean we aren't going to only elect Leave politicians now are we? I don't even really get why cameron is resigning to be honest. A stronger leader would stand up, respect the wishes of his country and then try to give us the best possible chance of survival because of it.

A little bit of a cop out to say i quit after something didn't go his way
 
I don't care on the football point I merely mentioned it , as I said , as he'd mentioned football in his criticism of Cameron. I'm much more concerned with the multitude of actual flaws in his 'character' hidden behind his jovial friendly Latin quoting eccentric exterior .



Me point wasn't solely about football....The labour party parachuted in a southern Westminster lackey with no knowledge of the area she was to represent, and because she had a red rosette, she was voted in.
 
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