Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

All evidence suggests that European migrants are more likely to be degree holders than the native population. They're also less likely to have dependents, hence why they are net-contributors to the treasury.

So no EU migrant claims tax credits or housing benefits?
Look it was said this am Junker could have given Dave a lot more in renegotiation the was a clause to use if countries were being overwhelmed with a huge influx of immigration - I am surprised all he came back with was verbal welfare immigration reforms which as you say most migrants work for over here I was fuming when I seen migrants bending down in a field planting crops saying the Englis people would not do this work as after 40 years in horticulture I was happy to do that work!
In less modified mechanical planting?
I had a successfull career in Horticulture, starting on buttons to high pay let's give any youth the chance to do thes jobs from anywhere if the training to progress to the top is there I'd not just cheap labour!

 

[wikofootball]

All true, but labour voters down south aren't in a position to destroy the city.

Incidentally do you know who doesn't hate Liverpool? Who adores Liverpool? Who has put more into this city than any Govt of the country?

The EU, and now they're gone, who have we got?

Up shote creeks without a paddle

 

[Skeleton Crew]

I like a lot of you on this forum but i am fairly certain I am pissed off with the lot of you.


FTSE is down almost 5% -- in my current international fund I am down 26K and falling. The US stocks opening bell cant get here fast enough.
I really had bet hard that you folks would get this vote right. Nope.

 

[The Cowboy]

All true, but labour voters down south aren't in a position to destroy the city.

Incidentally do you know who doesn't hate Liverpool? Who adores Liverpool? Who has put more into this city than any Govt of the country?

The EU, and now they're gone, who have we got?

Plenty of UK cities have neither government or EU support. Time for Liverpool to stand on its own two feet a bit.

 

[The Cowboy]

I like a lot of you on this forum but i am fairly certain I am pissed off with the lot of you.


FTSE is down almost 5% -- in my current international fund I am down 26K and falling. The US stocks opening bell cant get here fast enough.
I really had bet hard that you folks would get this vote right. Nope.

Cry me a river, Jordan Belfort.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I should point out that I don't consider myself a socialist, even though I currently support Labour

Ultimately I see myself as a liberal egalitarian, so Labour is essentially the "lesser of two evils" when it comes to the Conservatives

Ideally the Liberal Democrats would go back to what they were under Charles Kennedy, as that was the political party I most identified with, but I can't see that happening

I'm not wholly against Socialism, but there's always an under current of control that comes with it that I don't like. Labour's desire to throw up so many CCTV Cameras while Blair and Brown were in power is an example of that. Though I believe in the welfare state, and support it fully, I also believe in the importance of individual freedoms

You want to tax me a bit more because I earn more than someone else? Fine, they work just as hard as me, and it all goes back into the state, which benefits me in the long run. Go for it

But you want to have me watched 24/7 with these cameras and carry around an ID card? Err, no thanks mate, I'll take a pass on that thanks

 

[neil999]

So no EU migrant claims tax credits or housing benefits?
Look it was said this am Junker could have given Dave a lot more in renegotiation the was a clause to use if countries were being overwhelmed with a huge influx of immigration - I am surprised all he came back with was verbal welfare immigration reforms which as you say most migrants work for over here I was fuming when I seen migrants bending down in a field planting crops saying the Englis people would not do this work as after 40 years in horticulture I was happy to do that work!
In less modified mechanical planting?
I had a successfull career in Horticulture, starting on buttons to high pay let's give any youth the chance to do thes jobs from anywhere if the training to progress to the top is there I'd not just cheap labour!

maybe an employment model fault, low pay with no prospects?

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I was fuming when I seen migrants bending down in a field planting crops saying the Enlisg would not do this work as after 40 years in horticulture I was happy to do that work!
In less modified mechanical planting?

But they won't mate...They'd rather watch jeremy kyle and be forced to look for work for 35 hours per week so they can claim some sort of benefit, even when they're already working part-time for their dole in poundland because they can't get more/better paid work, as all them hyper-qualified immigrants have took the unskilled/ low paid jobs...

Because the british are LAZY...


As for the horticulture....Me arl fella says he used to bale hay/ pick fruit & veg for a few bob in the summer holidays when he was a schoolkid...But that was a different era, I guess. Maybe that's why the kid who used to deliver your local free rag was replaced by some albanian...

 

[Bluerover]

I like a lot of you on this forum but i am fairly certain I am pissed off with the lot of you.


FTSE is down almost 5% -- in my current international fund I am down 26K and falling. The US stocks opening bell cant get here fast enough.
I really had bet hard that you folks would get this vote right. Nope.

....except for those GOTers who are not UK voters I take it!!


Rule Brittania, ....rules the waves...never be slaves etc

Off they go on another voyage into the unknown, turning their backs on 500 million tariff free trade customers, they are now going to enjoy the delights of negotiations to access the EU like Mercosur, and the TTIP.

I think Ireland and UK can agree mutually beneficial agreements but there may be serious issues with the larger Member States in terms of post-Brexit agreements.

 

[tsubaki]

Again mate, don't agree. Carswell is so furious today because he was the one steering UKIP back towards the centre right, and now he is the sole ministerial representative for the acceptable face of xenophobia in this country. Farage has used him like a Trojan horse and now he's realised that he has been totally Kippered.

UKIP now has a mandate to shift even further right - look at those comments about the NHS already - and will now switch its support to a deeply loathsome groundswell of hate.

This referendum was the last gamble- Farage was gone here, Thanet should have done for him but he had this to cling to - but now they are utterly in soak. It's very grim stuff.

That is my point - UKIP thrived in elections solely because they were the only party backing exit. Now that we have exited, what is their stance going to be? If Farage wants to run on a Thatcherite thing (as you suggest) then that bins off all of the north, all of Wales, all of London and will probably go up against a Tory Party that now is more in tune with its base because we have left. There are no votes in "groundswells of hate".

He has, like Clegg in 2010, just won a victory that will destroy his party.

 

[Lee Smith]

I like a lot of you on this forum but i am fairly certain I am pissed off with the lot of you.


FTSE is down almost 5% -- in my current international fund I am down 26K and falling. The US stocks opening bell cant get here fast enough.
I really had bet hard that you folks would get this vote right. Nope.

Well that's the thing with stocks and shares isn't it, they can fall as well as rise, you sound like you deffo have your head screwed on about everything so I'm sure you're more than fully aware of that.

I haven't been able to check my UK personal pension fund here yet, but I'm assuming it's taken a hammering this morning. But again, I'm very aware that stocks and shares should be treated as a long term investment. So do you know what I'm going to do? Instead of moaning that my, by definition, volatile investment has dropped, I'm going to plough as much cash into buying more units 'on the cheap' in anticipation for the likely gain over the coming years.

 

[orchard]

1. I like a lot of you on this forum but i am fairly certain I am pissed off with the lot of you.
   
   
   FTSE is down almost 5% -- in my current international fund I am down 26K and falling. The US stocks opening bell cant get here fast enough.
   I really had bet hard that you folks would get this vote right. Nope.

   Haha, it was the right vote, unfortunately. Easy come, easy go mate, i'm sure there are other games to play, stop crying.
   

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

FTSE is down almost 5% -- in my current international fund I am down 26K and falling.

Nice to have had that much to lose...

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

....except for those GOTers who are not UK voters I take it!!


Rule Brittania, ....rules the waves...never be slaves etc

Off they go on another voyage into the unknown, turning their backs on 500 million tariff free trade customers, they are now going to enjoy the delights of negotiations to access the EU like Mercosur, and the TTIP.

I think Ireland and UK can agree mutually beneficial agreements but there may be serious issues with the larger Member States in terms of post-Brexit agreements.

Don't know owt about the first one; don't like TTIP.