Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Who's refunding the tariffs paid? Surely the origin of the product dictates the tariff paid not the fact that the company that owns it has a mailbox in the Cayman Islands?

Without financial passporting then the banks and financial institutions have already said they'd be forced to relocate parts of their operations to EU soil

Tariffs are a restriction to trade, hence the reason so many countries spend so much time trying to agree trade deals, spinning WTO tariffs as a benefit should we get landed with them is a view I think is extremely misguided.

The government would refund the tariffs from the additional taxes it would receive from the tariffs they wish to place on incoming goods. In the scenario where the EU sells more to us than we do to them the tariffs would be covered and there is a tax surplus to the UK.

There is no problem in putting some banking operations in Ireland, the London financial centre will continue trading under existing regulatory processes, but as I said, the EU are desperate not to make a mess of this as they would suffer far more than we would.

Of course tariffs are a barrier to trade and if the EU wishes to continue trading with us they will be loath to go down that route.

This is this thought that pervades the remain argument, that the EU holds all the cards. They don't. The idea of punishment of the UK is no longer mentioned. Calmer voices acknowledge that a sensible deal will have to be done. We both benefit if it's done properly, we both can lose if not. Even the out and out EU builders are not that stupid.....

 

[Number_25]

Give me the stats on in work benefits EU workers rightly claim under the free movement tax credits, housing benefit,child benefit, etc then tell me the benefits none of this is published to my knowledge they are the legal EU citizens never mind the ones Corbyn is on about where the gang masters fetch the over - stats can work both ways!
I feel with control we have skill shortages I am not anti immigration just controlled immigration it is common sense!

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/196677/nat_nino_regs.pdf

According to this document, only 6.4% of all welfare claimants were considered as non-UK nationals when registering for a NI number.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This just isn't going to happen Pete.

There's no way all 27 EU countries will ratify a free trade deal with the UK, that basically gives us the major benefit of membership without adhering to the 4 pillars, or paying for the privilege.

It just can't happen from the EU perspective, as it'd set a precedent that would lead to other countries following suit.

To be honest, I find it quite sad that people regard free movement as a 'cost'. It's a truly beautiful privilege, and if nothing else, the unholy mess that was 2016 has fermented this narrative that people of different nationalities are a burden and a bother to be 'managed'. People have argued that nowhere else has such agreements, but that's to their detriment.

Europe is an old continent and is no longer leading the world as once it was, but the ability for its citizens to live, work and settle anywhere was a fantastic mark of progress born of a time where its peoples have fought and killed one another en masse. It really is a crying shame that it appears to be unraveling as pernicious individuals whip up fear at the perceived differences among us.

 

[Joey66]

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/196677/nat_nino_regs.pdfsite

According to this document, only 6.4% of all welfare claimants were considered as non-UK nationals when registering for a NI number.

2011/ that's well out of date a wee bit 6 years in fact also ,these are the benefits calculated -
1. Jobseeker (Jobseeker’s Allowance) 2. ESA and incapacity benefits (Employment and Support Allowance, Incapacity Benefit and Severe Disablement Allowance) 3. Lone Parent (Income Support) 4. Carer (Carer’s Allowance) 5. Others on Income Related benefit (Income Support and Pension Credit) 6. Disabled (Disability Living Allowance) 7. Bereaved (Widow’s Benefit)
none of the in work benefits or the facts of child benefit being claimed when they return home?

 

[Joey66]

To be honest, I find it quite sad that people regard free movement as a 'cost'. It's a truly beautiful privilege, and if nothing else, the unholy mess that was 2016 has fermented this narrative that people of different nationalities are a burden and a bother to be 'managed'. People have argued that nowhere else has such agreements, but that's to their detriment.

Europe is an old continent and is no longer leading the world as once it was, but the ability for its citizens to live, work and settle anywhere was a fantastic mark of progress born of a time where its peoples have fought and killed one another en masse. It really is a crying shame that it appears to be unraveling as pernicious individuals whip up fear at the perceived differences among us.

Bruce you're truly beautiful privilege could be easily changed to expensive for the cost on in work benefits and stress on areas of high free immigration on local services - that is a detriment, yes immigration is fine if it is controlled immigration - you try moving to countries outside the EU - they have work visas etc whats wrong with that?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce you're truly beautiful privilege could be easily changed to expensive for the cost on in work benefits and stress on areas of high free immigration on local services - that is a detriment, yes immigration is fine if it is controlled immigration - you try moving to countries outside the EU - they have work visas etc whats wrong with that?

Joey, we've got 1,000+ pages of evidence telling us that such questions are purely rhetorical. I'm sure we've both got better things to do.

 

[Joey66]

Joey, we've got 1,000+ pages of evidence telling us that such questions are purely rhetorical. I'm sure we've both got better things to do.

Disappointed Bruce you fail to offer me even a Google or you cannot answer the question?

 

[Number_25]

Disappointed Bruce you fail to offer me even a Google or you cannot answer the question?

You say a lot, but nothing meaningful.

 

[Joey66]

You say a lot, but nothing meaningful.

Ditto look in your mirror you put a link up not in date, none of the in work benefits mentioned - we will leave on the basis to stop free movement and get our courts laws back to the UK!

 

[peteblue]

To be honest, I find it quite sad that people regard free movement as a 'cost'. It's a truly beautiful privilege, and if nothing else, the unholy mess that was 2016 has fermented this narrative that people of different nationalities are a burden and a bother to be 'managed'. People have argued that nowhere else has such agreements, but that's to their detriment.

Europe is an old continent and is no longer leading the world as once it was, but the ability for its citizens to live, work and settle anywhere was a fantastic mark of progress born of a time where its peoples have fought and killed one another en masse. It really is a crying shame that it appears to be unraveling as pernicious individuals whip up fear at the perceived differences among us.

Bruce, I completely agree with your sentiments, but unfortunately without some degree of control it doesn't work. A bit like folk wanting to get on a fairground ride, everyone wants to do it but we can only let one person on every horse. There must be a limit. If everyone was allowed to join the ride at once it would fall apart. Don't put people down for wanting control, it's in everyone's benefit.......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Give me the stats on in work benefits EU workers rightly claim under the free movement tax credits, housing benefit,child benefit, etc then tell me the benefits none of this is published to my knowledge they are the legal EU citizens never mind the ones Corbyn is on about where the gang masters fetch the over - stats can work both ways!
I feel with control we have skill shortages I am not anti immigration just controlled immigration it is common sense!

Common sense is seeing the net immigration stats minus students, something that has eluded consecutive Govts.

Common sense is accepting the FACT that the OVERALL net impact on the public purse is a positive from EU immigration

Common sense is understanding that less than half of our immigrants actually come from the EU

Common sense is asking yourself how any of this actually tangibly impinges on your existence

 

[Joey66]

Common sense is seeing the net immigration stats minus students, something that has eluded consecutive Govts.

Common sense is accepting the FACT that the OVERALL net impact on the public purse is a positive from EU immigration

Common sense is understanding that less than half of our immigrants actually come from the EU

Common sense is asking yourself how any of this actually tangibly impinges on your existence

Common sense we can not accept 330,000 immigration net every year!
Our services will crumble!

 

[wikofootball]

Common sense we can not accept 330,000 immigration net every year!
Our services will crumble!

They. Will when trumps new bitch may
. Sells them to the usa

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Common sense we can not accept 330,000 immigration net every year!
Our services will crumble!

Fee paying students account for 213,000 of the total of 636,000 total immigrants

Non EU migrants were 284,000 of that total, which is more than that from the EU.

EU immigrants made a net contribution to the economy

Services should be therefore funded by Govt from that net contribution

What tangible effect has any of this supposed disaster had on your existence?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce, I completely agree with your sentiments, but unfortunately without some degree of control it doesn't work. A bit like folk wanting to get on a fairground ride, everyone wants to do it but we can only let one person on every horse. There must be a limit. If everyone was allowed to join the ride at once it would fall apart. Don't put people down for wanting control, it's in everyone's benefit.......

Elinor Ostrom begs to differ. As it is, we spend over £500m per year on border security, which of course doesn't include the huge time cost people endure suffering through it whenever they travel anywhere. That's money that most EU countries don't spend because they don't police their borders. Are we saying that they're less safe as a result? Have their services collapsed?

Common sense we can not accept 330,000 immigration net every year!
Our services will crumble!

Yet our public services seem to cope perfectly well with 36 million temporary visitors each year, and around 700,000 new births each year. Our services have not, and will not crumble, and I've answered what must be a dozen times, the failure of the government to localise spending to cope with any reasonable size population movement, regardless of where that movement originates from.