neil999
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Sorrowful Soul
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**hires priest to exorcise self**
orchard
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Yes he is, he's a complete wham-bar. When he was floundering to negotiate deals a few month's ago, he should have cut ones to swing the vote, rather than look after himself and the City.
Ashtonian
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The eu referedum now is a box to coin the phrase.
We are on an island and a box has washed ashore. The remain voters believe the box contains something dangerous and therefore do not want the box. the leave voters believe it contains valuable supplies to survive by themselves on the island.
The only way we know is by opening the box.
We are on an island and a box has washed ashore. The remain voters believe the box contains something dangerous and therefore do not want the box. the leave voters believe it contains valuable supplies to survive by themselves on the island.
The only way we know is by opening the box.
AdamEFC
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Maybe it's because the major cities have benefited more from the EU than small cities and towns?
evilwebby
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I know most people might not agree with me at all, but Cameron's decision is to be admired, both in keeping to his pledge to call the referendum, and then choice to resign, knowing his political career was tied up with the vote. I've always thought that he was a conviction politician, and then when his time came he hasn't tried to cling on like a bad smell. He knows when it's time to leave.
orchard
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He is 'clinging on' for a few month's...
Hong Kong Phooey
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Or on the other hand, we should be asking why the MINORITY are so uneducated to push it so close!
The French and German markets have taken a big hit, 8% drop.
More of an observation. People saying they're now waiting to not get paid holiday pay in work due to us leaving the EU. If that isn't an overreaction I don't know what is.
Pretty sweeping statement that, if you take the student population out of the vote , most of them would have voted stay and are not scousers.
It evens up the vote in liverpool among full time residents
Dont know which way it will end up but suspect it will in the end up in an agreement that suits both parties , when they sit down without the hissy fits and get down to brass tacks.The exit will take two years under EU regulations so there is plenty of time to soften the landing. As I posted earlier, I can see relatively little difficulty in the trading arrangements with Ireland. We will no doubt negotiate mutually acceptable agreements given the close relationship between our Governments.
However, it will be interesting to see the approach taken by FR DE IT etc in relation to trading across the EU from a large non-EU state.
In this regard, look at the tortuous negotiations on trade that are going on for years in relation to Mercosur and TTIP, with little sign of agreement in the near future.
I am afraid that the UK is now going to increasingly find itself on the other side as regards this type of agreement with the EU but the Leave campaign was never properly challenged in this regard.
Anyway.... enjoy the result of your democratic will.
Everybody is focused on the UK side of things at the moment naturally, but the EU has lost one of its big players and payers, there markets have gone down today, and how that plays out , any other countries want out, how will voters in the remaining countries react to having to pay more?
I expect a load of posturing but at the end can the EU governments afford to do anything other than get a good deal for themselves/us out of it.
Absolutely, people decided they didn't care about possible job losses as long as we could regain control of our borders.
And fine, if that's what the majority of the country believe in then what's what we should do. I genuinely believe in democracy.
But I care far more about my employment than about borders so I'd hoped people would have decided the other way. Can't help but be disappointed about that.
A part of me is clinging to the hope that in the 3 months before Cameron hands over the reins to someone else to actually implement this thing, we come to realise what a god awful mistake we've made and see some sense.
chrismpw
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I am not intending to upset anybody here, or score any points - and I don't have a horse, either high or low - but this is my thinking.
A lot of establishment figures, bankers and people who have done very well thank you, from a stable relationship with the EU will be upset. The EU, however, ceased working for the benefit of its people long ago as it became obsessed with business only - and satisfying that elite. (An accusation that can be equally levelled at recent UK governments) A minority have made millions gambling in the markets, but doing nothing for this money to promote culture, science, medicine - simply gambling - and collecting the money from some other poor loser (look through the propaganda of the wording - money is not MADE in this process - it is collected).
Those establishment figures, probably lauded Maggie T as she made the coal workers of south wales adapt and retrain as she obliterated their livings and way of life without a drop of compassion. Now those establishment figures, wealthy on the ethos she created, might have to do the same - find a new way of collecting money for themselves, learn new skills. In addition, they will come to understand how it feels to do it on their own, without the support of a union, economic or workers' union - another thing destroyed by Maggie T. This is the Brave New World we have become. We are, wealthy and poor, workers and gamblers, eventually, for the first time in over 40 years, all in it together.
Let's work together and make a difference where the useful are properly rewarded, and the weak supported. It is OUR nation again, and we get to make decisions. Our MPs are suddenly accountable to us, and cannot use the EU as an excuse for everything we don't like. Suddenly our domestic vote means something, and hopefully people will take it seriously.
A lot of establishment figures, bankers and people who have done very well thank you, from a stable relationship with the EU will be upset. The EU, however, ceased working for the benefit of its people long ago as it became obsessed with business only - and satisfying that elite. (An accusation that can be equally levelled at recent UK governments) A minority have made millions gambling in the markets, but doing nothing for this money to promote culture, science, medicine - simply gambling - and collecting the money from some other poor loser (look through the propaganda of the wording - money is not MADE in this process - it is collected).
Those establishment figures, probably lauded Maggie T as she made the coal workers of south wales adapt and retrain as she obliterated their livings and way of life without a drop of compassion. Now those establishment figures, wealthy on the ethos she created, might have to do the same - find a new way of collecting money for themselves, learn new skills. In addition, they will come to understand how it feels to do it on their own, without the support of a union, economic or workers' union - another thing destroyed by Maggie T. This is the Brave New World we have become. We are, wealthy and poor, workers and gamblers, eventually, for the first time in over 40 years, all in it together.
Let's work together and make a difference where the useful are properly rewarded, and the weak supported. It is OUR nation again, and we get to make decisions. Our MPs are suddenly accountable to us, and cannot use the EU as an excuse for everything we don't like. Suddenly our domestic vote means something, and hopefully people will take it seriously.
He only called the referendum because he thought remain would piss it.
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