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[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Who says it's not working well? @Joey66

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

wow two likes with your band of merry men the figures are on the BBC DP not my figures I just noted them down with a pen watching it on the BBC I player.
The fact is people don't like them Farage was correct about Romanians and Bulgarians love him or hate him he seems to get things correct - brexit- trump and an invasion of new EU nationals last January- how did Labour do last night lost their deposit if you want to see another obnoxious Remainer watch this week and see the Baroness Lib dem who used to run Richmond the bile in her plum in mouth from an area that has 3-4 million pound homes in it! here she is the one and only -Susan Veronica Kramer, Baroness Kramer, PC

People don't like who?

 

[catcherintherye]

yes they are upgrading their four by four /office to a mini bus/office for 10 of them wow and Labour lost their deposit as Labour voters backed a LIB DEMlol

I don't think yesterdays vote in indicative of a massive swing to Remain. However I also don't think it's a major crisis for Labour and do think there's a lot of pressure building on May.

The 2015 election can be summarised in one phrase; the tories used the Lib Dems as a human shield and the devoured the carcus. It was a fantastically astute electoral victory, largely because they did so against the odds and against the wider swing. There was no great swing to the governments policies as Tories have you believe, but rather one side of the government's vote collapsed and the Tories exploited the situation successfully.

Much of what people like in the Tories under Cameron was a much softer image. May's hard turn is not going to sit well with their more southern, affluent vote base. This can be seen in Richmond and Witney where they were ran very close. Two very safe seats with the Libs Dems having resurgence. In affluent Southern areas which generally voted Remain the Ljb Dems will provide a serious opposition to the Conservatives and I can see them withering support. I also think they will continue to lose support in the marginal areas to UKIP. Essentially losing votes to their right and left.

Yes Labour lost a deposit. However given the way UK electoral voting works it is largely irrelevant. Witney and Richmond will never be won by Labour. Their success will be dependant on how well they can hold votes in the north against UKIP and how well they can attract primarily Remain and some Leave voters in urban areas in the South. Labour voters voting for Lib Dems should hardly be a surprise, most Labour members and voters voted Remain yet they have a leader who wants to Leave.

I think the political map will now change. The Tories will be the Leave party in the South fighting off primarily Lib Dems. While in the North Labour will be fighting off UKIP. Who do you vote for anyway Joey? I had you down as a UKIP fella but you always seem interested in Labour?

 

[edge]

Farron just admited if we got a vote on the deal and we voted agaist it he would want us to stay in as a result.
Even when pressed, in that case the EU would give us the worsed deal possible to ensure we stayed in then.
He just said he would want us to stay.
Typical EU animal lets vote till we get the answer we want, and he calls himself a liberal.
Dont know about anybody else but its making me want to just say we are out, no deal other than international agreements . definitely hardening my views .

 

[degsy]

I'm calling it now.

We will go to the EU with a Norway like proposal...market access - paying 'some' cash in - free movement.

EU-Lite.

Referendum in vain.

 

[peteblue]

It's neither incorrect nor an opinion - we didn't vote on how to leave. That correct and fact.

Good grief Tubey this really is scraping the barrel. We voted on What we wanted, the government will manage the How we leave.......

 

[Joey66]

I don't think yesterdays vote in indicative of a massive swing to Remain. However I also don't think it's a major crisis for Labour and do think there's a lot of pressure building on May.

The 2015 election can be summarised in one phrase; the tories used the Lib Dems as a human shield and the devoured the carcus. It was a fantastically astute electoral victory, largely because they did so against the odds and against the wider swing. There was no great swing to the governments policies as Tories have you believe, but rather one side of the government's vote collapsed and the Tories exploited the situation successfully.

Much of what people like in the Tories under Cameron was a much softer image. May's hard turn is not going to sit well with their more southern, affluent vote base. This can be seen in Richmond and Witney where they were ran very close. Two very safe seats with the Libs Dems having resurgence. In affluent Southern areas which generally voted Remain the Ljb Dems will provide a serious opposition to the Conservatives and I can see them withering support. I also think they will continue to lose support in the marginal areas to UKIP. Essentially losing votes to their right and left.

Yes Labour lost a deposit. However given the way UK electoral voting works it is largely irrelevant. Witney and Richmond will never be won by Labour. Their success will be dependant on how well they can hold votes in the north against UKIP and how well they can attract primarily Remain and some Leave voters in urban areas in the South. Labour voters voting for Lib Dems should hardly be a surprise, most Labour members and voters voted Remain yet they have a leader who wants to Leave.

I think the political map will now change. The Tories will be the Leave party in the South fighting off primarily Lib Dems. While in the North Labour will be fighting off UKIP. Who do you vote for anyway Joey? I had you down as a UKIP fella but you always seem interested in Labour?

a massive swing to Remain it voted 72% in favour to remain those two areas the lib dems scraped home by 1900 votes hardly a massive swing they campaigned so hard as well they could not do that in another referendum they want FGS get a grip it was supposed to be a vote over a third runway oh I don't accept the vote as they fought it by lying over the Brexit issue when it was supposed to be about the environment!lol

 

[peteblue]

Farron just admited if we got a vote on the deal and we voted agaist it he would want us to stay in as a result.
Even when pressed, in that case the EU would give us the worsed deal possible to ensure we stayed in then.
He just said he would want us to stay.
Typical EU animal lets vote till we get the answer we want, and he calls himself a liberal.
Dont know about anybody else but its making me want to just say we are out, no deal other than international agreements . definitely hardening my views .

All the same people.......

 

[Joey66]

Farron just admited if we got a vote on the deal and we voted agaist it he would want us to stay in as a result.
Even when pressed, in that case the EU would give us the worsed deal possible to ensure we stayed in then.
He just said he would want us to stay.
Typical EU animal lets vote till we get the answer we want, and he calls himself a liberal.
Dont know about anybody else but its making me want to just say we are out, no deal other than international agreements . definitely hardening my views .

come a GE they will get wiped out again to a mini cab of an office!

 

[edge]

I'm calling it now.

We will go to the EU with a Norway like proposal...market access - paying 'some' cash in - free movement.

EU-Lite.

Referendum in vain.

yep said all along it will end up a half arsed efford , the government mostly wanted to stay in so there heart isnt in it cowardly in my eyes ,not shocking in the least.

 

[Joey66]

People don't like who?

he bragged he got two likes ?
A first when losing an argument imo!

 

[The Esk]

I was asked yesterday why EU citizens emigrate to Britain:

@Joey66 you didn't give a view on why only 2.2% of EU citizens receive in work benefits as against representing 5% of the population.

You've indicated that we are being invaded by new EU nationals specifically the Romanians and Bulgarians - their net immigration figure is the equivalent of 30 people in a stadium housing 60,000 so it's hardly an invasion is it?

 

[Joey66]

I don't think yesterdays vote in indicative of a massive swing to Remain. However I also don't think it's a major crisis for Labour and do think there's a lot of pressure building on May.

The 2015 election can be summarised in one phrase; the tories used the Lib Dems as a human shield and the devoured the carcus. It was a fantastically astute electoral victory, largely because they did so against the odds and against the wider swing. There was no great swing to the governments policies as Tories have you believe, but rather one side of the government's vote collapsed and the Tories exploited the situation successfully.

Much of what people like in the Tories under Cameron was a much softer image. May's hard turn is not going to sit well with their more southern, affluent vote base. This can be seen in Richmond and Witney where they were ran very close. Two very safe seats with the Libs Dems having resurgence. In affluent Southern areas which generally voted Remain the Ljb Dems will provide a serious opposition to the Conservatives and I can see them withering support. I also think they will continue to lose support in the marginal areas to UKIP. Essentially losing votes to their right and left.

Yes Labour lost a deposit. However given the way UK electoral voting works it is largely irrelevant. Witney and Richmond will never be won by Labour. Their success will be dependant on how well they can hold votes in the north against UKIP and how well they can attract primarily Remain and some Leave voters in urban areas in the South. Labour voters voting for Lib Dems should hardly be a surprise, most Labour members and voters voted Remain yet they have a leader who wants to Leave.

I think the political map will now change. The Tories will be the Leave party in the South fighting off primarily Lib Dems. While in the North Labour will be fighting off UKIP. Who do you vote for anyway Joey? I had you down as a UKIP fella but you always seem interested in Labour?

I have voted mainly Labour till Corbynism arrived where was is momentum last night lost his deposit???????

 

[JonS]

Us big boys are BACK!

It's going to be a long time before the lib Dems regain my trust again after getting into bed with the Tories and refusing to recognise a democratic vote.

Farron just admited if we got a vote on the deal and we voted agaist it he would want us to stay in as a result.
Even when pressed, in that case the EU would give us the worsed deal possible to ensure we stayed in then.
He just said he would want us to stay.
Typical EU animal lets vote till we get the answer we want, and he calls himself a liberal.
Dont know about anybody else but its making me want to just say we are out, no deal other than international agreements . definitely hardening my views .

Me too, mate. I wish Cameron had had the guts to invoke Article 50 the day after the referendum in accordance with the public vote.

It was always going to be a messy divorce but better to get going with it IMO rather let all this nonsense go on.

 

[Joey66]

I was asked yesterday why EU citizens emigrate to Britain:

@Joey66 you didn't give a view on why only 2.2% of EU citizens receive in work benefits as against representing 5% of the population.

You've indicated that we are being invaded by new EU nationals specifically the Romanians and Bulgarians - their net immigration figure is the equivalent of 30 people in a stadium housing 60,000 so it's hardly an invasion is it?

Never did I use the word Invaded ?????????????are you haveing a competition of Googling with Bruce?
that does not answer my question of any immigrant particularly the EU of the on cost of yes they pay in to our economy no arguments there - the cost of many benefits they claim record levels the size of a small town is not sustainable @ The Esk I never stated we were being invaded you have chosen those words watch the daily politics first ten minutes yesterday for the real figures 170,000 came without jobs ?