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[Tubey]

Just trying to get my head around the Richmond thing.

Tory Goldsmith takes seat from LibDems in 2010
Richmond vote strongly in favour of Remain
Goldsmith resigns in protest at Heathrow expansion (y'know, like a local MP concerned about local issues does)
Richmond strongly vote against him and elect pro-EU LibDem instead.

Anyone who's been to Richmond will know they are not crying out for EU funding. By voting against Goldsmith in such numbers suggests they don't care a jot about the Heathrow expansion, so I do wonder why exactly did they vote Goldsmith in in the first place?

Brexit has changed a lot politically.

I personally wasn't surprised the Lib Dems won. Farron was right for a change - the Tories are now a version of UKIP in power, and Labour are useless - so the only voice people have to voice against Brexit is through the Lib Dems, despite also being awful.

What we saw was a mass protest vote against Brexit, which effectively gazumped the Heathrow issue, which only a loud minority really care about.

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

Us big boys are BACK!

Is that the woman from the green party smirking at Peter Jones off dragons den there

 

[edge]

Just trying to get my head around the Richmond thing.

Tory Goldsmith takes seat from LibDems in 2010
Richmond vote strongly in favour of Remain
Goldsmith resigns in protest at Heathrow expansion (y'know, like a local MP concerned about local issues does)
Richmond strongly vote against him and elect pro-EU LibDem instead.

Anyone who's been to Richmond will know they are not crying out for EU funding. By voting against Goldsmith in such numbers suggests they don't care a jot about the Heathrow expansion, so I do wonder why exactly did they vote Goldsmith in in the first place?

Think he got in as they thought they were getting someone on the inside of government.
They were anti heathrow as well,his former party had just passed the expansion, in everything but name he would still be one of them so a bit of a backlash on that score.
He had no party machinery behind him unlike the winners.
It was a former lib held seat and vote 70% to remain and this is a shock or anti brexit bombshell , kidding themselves delusional.
Plus the fact he was a horrible specimen did help glad he got beat.

 

[peteblue]

Brexit has changed a lot politically.

I personally wasn't surprised the Lib Dems won. Farron was right for a change - the Tories are now a version of UKIP in power, and Labour are useless - so the only voice people have to voice against Brexit is through the Lib Dems, despite also being awful.

What we saw was a mass protest vote against Brexit, which effectively gazumped the Heathrow issue, which only a loud minority really care about.

But as there was only a 4% difference in votes, we can ignore the result and campaign to stop the Libdems taking the seat because the voters didn't really know what they were voting for......sound familiar.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Think he got in as they thought they were getting someone on the inside of government.
They were anti heathrow as well,his former party had just passed the expansion, in everything but name he would still be one of them so a bit of a backlash on that score.
He had no party machinery behind him unlike the winners.
It was a former lib held seat and vote 70% to remain and this is a shock or anti brexit bombshell , kidding themselves delusional.
Plus the fact he was a horrible specimen did help glad he got beat.

It might not be a shock, but it is indicative nonetheless. There's this notion that 'the country' voted for Brexit, yet most of Britain's cities did not vote for it. That's the bulk of our commercial clout not voting for something, the bulk of our academic clout not voting for something. It shouldn't be something to be brushed aside as though this is a bunch of whining students.

After all, if we are to 'trade with the world' or whatever, then we will need the companies based in those cities to do so, we'll need the universities based in those cities to give us the science and engineering base to do so, and they all (by and large) voted remain. You'd imagine that would be a concern.

 

[Tubey]

But as there was only a 4% difference in votes, we can ignore the result and campaign to stop the Libdems taking the seat because the voters didn't really know what they were voting for......sound familiar.....

Nope, because they did know what they were voting for, whilst the referendum didn't specify anything beyond the word "leave" - not how to leave.

Crap parallel attempt basically.

 

[peteblue]

It might not be a shock, but it is indicative nonetheless. There's this notion that 'the country' voted for Brexit, yet most of Britain's cities did not vote for it. That's the bulk of our commercial clout not voting for something, the bulk of our academic clout not voting for something. It shouldn't be something to be brushed aside as though this is a bunch of whining students.

After all, if we are to 'trade with the world' or whatever, then we will need the companies based in those cities to do so, we'll need the universities based in those cities to give us the science and engineering base to do so, and they all (by and large) voted remain. You'd imagine that would be a concern.

Bruce, neither the Conservatives nor UKIP even bothered to put up a candidate so what was it indicative of.......

 

[peteblue]

Nope, because they did know what they were voting for, whilst the referendum didn't specify anything beyond the word "leave" - not how to leave.

Crap parallel attempt basically.

Putting aside your incorrect opinion, as the issues at stake were well spelt out in the various government documents, but do you see how politics now works in the UK. No one has to accept any vote anymore, because our ruling class and betters have demonstrated their lack of willingness to accept the will of the people and will only accept a result when it suits them.......

 

[edge]

Can someone explain to me the liberal stance on wanting to vote on the brexit deal, I am finding it confusing.
if the EU know we are going to leave they can hardly offer a deal that anyone wanted, to be voted on. its not in there self interested
If they put a good deal on the table it would be political suicide, as every anti EU party across Europe ,would piont to it as proof to go it alone.
Lets face it in the current climate they aren't going to do that.
So other than a delaying tactic , what are they trying to achieve other than to weaken are bargaining stance?
Are they thinking look it a crap deal lets vote to get back in?
Just cant get me head around it , have I missed something as its confusing me this stance.

 

[The Cowboy]

It might not be a shock, but it is indicative nonetheless. There's this notion that 'the country' voted for Brexit, yet most of Britain's cities did not vote for it. That's the bulk of our commercial clout not voting for something, the bulk of our academic clout not voting for something. It shouldn't be something to be brushed aside as though this is a bunch of whining students.

After all, if we are to 'trade with the world' or whatever, then we will need the companies based in those cities to do so, we'll need the universities based in those cities to give us the science and engineering base to do so, and they all (by and large) voted remain. You'd imagine that would be a concern.

If a Labour MP in a Leave constituency were to cark it, and another Labour MP is voted in, does that mean it's a resounding backing for Leave again?

(Just realised that sounds like I was drawing on the murder of No Cox, which I wasn't, just using a basic example of how Brexit is consuming UK politics way beyond local issues)

 

[peteblue]

Can someone explain to me the liberal stance on wanting to vote on the brexit deal, I am finding it confusing.
if the EU know we are going to leave they can hardly offer a deal that anyone wanted, to be voted on. its not in there self interested
If they put a good deal on the table it would be political suicide, as every anti EU party across Europe ,would piont to it as proof to go it alone.
Lets face it in the current climate they aren't going to do that.
So other than a delaying tactic , wbat are they trying to achieve other than to weaken are bargaining stance?
Are they thinking look it a crap deal lets vote to get back in?
Just cant get me head around it , have I missed something as its confusing me this stance.

No, you have missed nothing. The Libdems however really do not understand this but it's a good way of trying to make themselves relevant again. Basically trying to garner votes from the remainers.......

 

[peteblue]

If a Labour MP in a Leave constituency were to cark it, and another Labour MP is voted in, does that mean it's a resounding backing for Leave again?

(Just realised that sounds like I was drawing on the murder of No Cox, which I wasn't, just using a basic example of how Brexit is consuming UK politics way beyond local issues)

Yep, just like voting in all the SNP MP's was a resounding backing for Scotland to leave the UK, except that it wasn't......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce, neither the Conservatives nor UKIP even bothered to put up a candidate so what was it indicative of.......

As I said, it's a reminder that the urban areas upon which the future success of our nation rests by and large voted to remain. All of this 'will of the people' stuff tends to ignore that. And before anyone gets defensive, I'm not suggesting that the 52% are ignored either, and I said as much in a post earlier on, but to blithely ignore the opinions of the capital cities of the United Kingdom and the homes of each Russell Group university in the land seems kinda crazy to me.

 

[edge]

It might not be a shock, but it is indicative nonetheless. There's this notion that 'the country' voted for Brexit, yet most of Britain's cities did not vote for it. That's the bulk of our commercial clout not voting for something, the bulk of our academic clout not voting for something. It shouldn't be something to be brushed aside as though this is a bunch of whining students.

After all, if we are to 'trade with the world' or whatever, then we will need the companies based in those cities to do so, we'll need the universities based in those cities to give us the science and engineering base to do so, and they all (by and large) voted remain. You'd imagine that would be a concern.

why does a vote in the city mean more than anywere else?
Let face it Bruce you would happy for just London to have the vote and nowhere else as there view dont count unless they are the same.
Why dont you start a London independent party. I will give you a vote to start with.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If a Labour MP in a Leave constituency were to cark it, and another Labour MP is voted in, does that mean it's a resounding backing for Leave again?

(Just realised that sounds like I was drawing on the murder of No Cox, which I wasn't, just using a basic example of how Brexit is consuming UK politics way beyond local issues)

See my reply to Pete above