Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

why does a vote in the city mean more than anywere else?
Let face it Bruce you would happy for just London to have the vote and nowhere else as there view dont count unless they are the same.
Why dont you start a London independent party. I will give you a vote to start with.

*sigh*

I'm not saying it matters more than anywhere else. I'm saying that at the moment there is a lot of talk about the people having spoken, therefore that's that, and I think that's madness. And it isn't just London, it's the capital cities of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. It's the home of all of our major universities. It's the cities that form the bulk of our economy. They nearly all voted to remain. I'm not saying they carry more weight, but to dismiss them as irrelevant is madness imo.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

There were proposals to curb benefits for EU nationals reading that link it never happened?

It did

 

[The Cowboy]

As I said, it's a reminder that the urban areas upon which the future success of our nation rests by and large voted to remain. All of this 'will of the people' stuff tends to ignore that. And before anyone gets defensive, I'm not suggesting that the 52% are ignored either, and I said as much in a post earlier on, but to blithely ignore the opinions of the capital cities of the United Kingdom and the homes of each Russell Group university in the land seems kinda crazy to me.

Utter tosh. You heard of the word 'commute', Bruce? The residents of a city, and the working population of a city, are vastly different, to the point that it's almost irrelevant how cities voted.

The City of London depends on thousands of workers who descend on the city each day, from constituencies that voted Leave. Are you telling me all city workers voted Remain? Cos they didn't.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Utter tosh. You heard of the word 'commute', Bruce? The residents of a city, and the working population of a city, are vastly different, to the point that it's almost irrelevant how cities voted.

The City of London depends on thousands of workers who descend on the city each day, from constituencies that voted Leave. Are you telling me all city workers voted Remain? Cos they didn't.

See, there you go again being all polemic. I said that the main cities of the United Kingdom voted to remain, and that matters. I've no doubt many people do commute into London, but 8.5 million people also live there. I'm sure they aren't twiddling their thumbs. The City also depends on a huge number of migrant workers who didn't get a vote at all, and it appears are another of the large number of people who are being told to put up and shut up.

 

[Tubey]

Putting aside your incorrect opinion, as the issues at stake were well spelt out in the various government documents, but do you see how politics now works in the UK. No one has to accept any vote anymore, because our ruling class and betters have demonstrated their lack of willingness to accept the will of the people and will only accept a result when it suits them.......

It's neither incorrect nor an opinion - we didn't vote on how to leave. That correct and fact.

 

[The Cowboy]

It's neither incorrect nor an opinion - we didn't vote on how to leave. That correct and fact.

The 'how to leave' aspect doesn't bother me, as there's literally no rules on that.

What annoys me is that a vote to leave was a vote to leave, and a vote to remain was both a vote to remain and a vote of confidence for the EU in its current state, and a mandate to continue forwards on its current path, with greater centralisation etc.

I think 'Remain...but I'm not happy' would've won by a landslide.

 

[bflefc]

*sigh*

I'm not saying it matters more than anywhere else. I'm saying that at the moment there is a lot of talk about the people having spoken, therefore that's that, and I think that's madness. And it isn't just London, it's the capital cities of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. It's the home of all of our major universities. It's the cities that form the bulk of our economy. They nearly all voted to remain. I'm not saying they carry more weight, but to dismiss them as irrelevant is madness imo.

So what would you propose to ensure all voices/votes are listened to?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So what would you propose to ensure all voices/votes are listened to?

Having an open dialogue would seem a good place to start. This is a change that will likely last a lifetime so shouldn't be rushed through imo. At the moment there's a sense that the Tories are trying to browbeat things through, with openness forced upon them by the courts. This notion of not giving a running commentary belies the fact that the country doesn't appear to know what exactly it wants from Brexit.

The referendum was a binary in/out. There was little by way of plan for leaving, and the leave campaign itself had no manifesto by which they campaigned against. The various leaks since then suggest that this still hasn't been rectified, and it creates the impression of a cabinet riddled with division over what exactly Brexit aims to be, and yet very little inclination to allow anyone outside of the cabinet an input.

 

[Tubey]

The 'how to leave' aspect doesn't bother me, as there's literally no rules on that.

What annoys me is that a vote to leave was a vote to leave, and a vote to remain was both a vote to remain and a vote of confidence for the EU in its current state, and a mandate to continue forwards on its current path, with greater centralisation etc.

I think 'Remain...but I'm not happy' would've won by a landslide.

It bothers me in that "Leave" has been interpreted to mean "Leave At All Costs".

There should be a vote, at least in parliament, on the terms of leaving, for very obvious reasons.

As an aside, if Remain had won 52/48, it wouldn't have been a vote of confidence in the EU - the result would be too close to ignore. We had already secured a change ahead of Brexit and a promise of a referendum in the event of a treaty change; under no circumstances could such a result and measures be an endorsement of the status quo.

 

[Joey66]

It did[/QUOIts not working that well
https://fullfact.org/immigration/migration-and-welfare-benefits/

 

[The Cowboy]

It bothers me in that "Leave" has been interpreted to mean "Leave At All Costs".

There should be a vote, at least in parliament, on the terms of leaving, for very obvious reasons.

As an aside, if Remain had won 52/48, it wouldn't have been a vote of confidence in the EU - the result would be too close to ignore. We had already secured a change ahead of Brexit and a promise of a referendum in the event of a treaty change; under no circumstances could such a result and measures be an endorsement of the status quo.

The whole thing has been an utter joke. If we'd have been told it was a gauge of public opinion, and no action would be taken without thorough discussions in parliament, I think the vote wouldn't have changed much but there'd be a lot less vitriol. It's the idea that it was always legally binding that I never liked.

 

[Joey66]

The madness continues, It's not about opinion Joey, it's also not personal in anyway whatsoever.

Go back and add up the figures again.

This got 2 likes as well, talk about post truth politics.

wow two likes with your band of merry men the figures are on the BBC DP not my figures I just noted them down with a pen watching it on the BBC I player.
The fact is people don't like them Farage was correct about Romanians and Bulgarians love him or hate him he seems to get things correct - brexit- trump and an invasion of new EU nationals last January- how did Labour do last night lost their deposit if you want to see another obnoxious Remainer watch this week and see the Baroness Lib dem who used to run Richmond the bile in her plum in mouth from an area that has 3-4 million pound homes in it! here she is the one and only -Susan Veronica Kramer, Baroness Kramer, PC

 

[Joey66]

Lib Dems did well in Richmond didn't they? You might say they were voted IN

bruce they won by 1900 votes in a 72 % remain seat last time out hardly a thumping victory v an unpopular Zac goldsmith who could not win the London Election after a smear campaign watch QT if you want to see the OUT anger and you may get the message?

 

[Joey66]

By a man who was once a liberal, but was not when he founded the party. The idea that it somehow represents liberal values now is rather silly, and nearly everything the party stands for today has been an offshoot from the far-right of the Tory party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Sked

Had to Google that one again Bruce heylol TBF bruce I never knew that UKIP started from a Liberal theres time for you yet Bruce!lol

 

[Joey66]

Us big boys are BACK!

yes they are upgrading their four by four /office to a mini bus/office for 10 of them wow and Labour lost their deposit as Labour voters backed a LIB DEMlol