Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Dylan]

She should be well compensated for being unfairly dismissed

Edit* Oh she's in Virginia. Yeah, well, she is potentially screwed then.

 

[ilikecheese]

A blast from the past from the Trump administration...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

She should be well compensated for being unfairly dismissed

Edit* Oh she's in Virginia. Yeah, well, she is potentially screwed then.

To be fair, she works in marketing for a government contractor, so must surely have been aware that posting an image of her insulting the client is not the best idea, especially when that insult went so viral. I've no idea if her company was named during the publicity that went along with the photo, but it seems reasonable to believe that had they been, that might have damaged their chances of winning future contracts from the government. I wouldn't like her chances of winning an unfair dismissal claim unless the legalities of dismissing her were not followed.

 

[Dylan]

To be fair, she works in marketing for a government contractor, so must surely have been aware that posting an image of her insulting the client is not the best idea, especially when that insult went so viral. I've no idea if her company was named during the publicity that went along with the photo, but it seems reasonable to believe that had they been, that might have damaged their chances of winning future contracts from the government. I wouldn't like her chances of winning an unfair dismissal claim unless the legalities of dismissing her were not followed.

Virginia is one of 'those' states that allows termination for any reason at any time. Called "At-will employment"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

At-will employment is a term used in U.S. labor law for contractual relationships in which an employee can be dismissed by an employer for any reason (that is, without having to establish "just cause" for termination), and without warning. When an employee is acknowledged as being hired "at will," courts deny the employee any claim for loss resulting from the dismissal.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Virginia is one of 'those' states that allows termination for any reason at any time. Called "At-will employment"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

Aye, I heard something about that. Without knowing anything about the company she works for, aren't a lot of the defence and security services based in Virginia? Conscious of jumping to conclusions, I'd imagine a degree of 'patriotism' is key for contractors in those fields, especially when the dissent was so publicly made. As I say, I have very little knowledge to base this on so it's quite possible 2+2=5.

 

[Dylan]

Aye, I heard something about that. Without knowing anything about the company she works for, aren't a lot of the defence and security services based in Virginia? Conscious of jumping to conclusions, I'd imagine a degree of 'patriotism' is key for contractors in those fields, especially when the dissent was so publicly made. As I say, I have very little knowledge to base this on so it's quite possible 2+2=5.

I can only speak for the guys I know who work for government contractors, and they are all working indirectly for the DOD. Politics is an outside of work thing, so long as it doesn't effect your professional life, then they are allowed their fair say. It is a fundamental right.

One particular guy I was shipmates with, prior enlisted gone officer, ended up as the A-Weps on the USS Florida before going on to do some super-secret squirrel stuff where he ascended to be the XO. Hardcore democrat, and all during the election, his facebook was lit up with anti-GOP and then anti-Trump propoganda, inbetween posting all the pics of the different ships going in and out of San Diego that he was working on. Still in his job having fun bashing Trump! Some stuff he posts would deffo get warnings on here, and are arguably worse than flipping the bird.

 

[dholliday]

I can see the appeal in simplifying the tax code as well as reducing corporate tax, I just don't like the way he plans to pay (or not) for the cuts
I liked the way he talked to schumer and pelosi to try and broker a deal. My main hope for him was that he'd operate above party politics. Turns out he's probably the most partisan president ever

Round about way of saying no, not really

I personally don't feel Trump's racism is debatable. Awhile back I posted this below (in italics), and it was only a sample of what I found. In retrospect, I think the more general point is that Trump has no compassion for anyone. It's like he's so far gone as a functioning human (he has narcissistic personality disorder, as you probably know), that I don't really question his racism (which is empirically documented) or his sexism (which is empirically documented) or his xenophobia (which is empirically documented)--it's more that I just question his general ability to get along with others, period. You are being way to cautious and apologetic when you say his comments regarding non-whites are "immature & unhelpful." He is a racist.

--he has called all Mexicans rapists
--he's referred to black people in Baltimore as Thugs
--he's appointed Jeff Sessions, who was denied a Federal Judge position due to comments such as calling a white civil rights lawyer a "race traitor" and making sympathetic jokes about the KKK
--he's appointed Steve Bannon, who has claimed Briebart was the platform of the alt-right
--he's claimed a judge was biased due to being "Mexican"
--he's attacked the Muslim parents of US Army officer who was KIA
--he's been sued by the Justice Department for not renting to black people (note added: twice)
--he said that quotes attributed to him--that black people were inherently lazy, that black people shouldn't be counting his Casino money--were "probably true"
--he questioned whether Obama was an American
--he said of the Pequots, that they "don't look like Indians to me..."
--he condoned the beating of a BLM supporter, saying "Maybe [the protester] should have been roughed up"
--when two men were convicted of beating up a homeless Latino and citing Trump as their inspiration, Trump said in response to these attacks, “I will say that people who are following me are very passionate...They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate.”

Although I'm not inclined to spend much time there, I do wonder how online communities who are largely Trump voters are feeling about him. The only ones I pop into are the politics subforum on dpreview.com and the odd Daily-Mail sort-via-best comments thread (lot of Americans on there). The overriding impression is that they're happy with him, they see him as a doer, a pro-active man who can wade through 'the swamp' to get things done. I haven't spent enough time in these communities to get any specifics, tho' (if there are any specifics!).

Frankly, I don't think my attempts to foster better discussion would go anywhere near as well there as they do here. And that's the big issue, really...this drawing of lines, picking a side and sticking with it no matter what.

Cheers for the decent debate, lads

Virginia is one of 'those' states that allows termination for any reason at any time. Called "At-will employment"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

This is creeping its way into Europe too. In UK you have the zero-hours contracts which are getting more common, and in Germany there's far more Temp-employees (through agencies) than 20 years ago: these employees, even after years of working at the same company (and for the same temp agency) can also be terminated at any time for any reason (with a 2-week notice, but no guarantee of further work). The state benefits system is relatively good, tho'.

 

[Ruairi77]

they see him as a doer, a pro-active man who can wade through 'the swamp' to get things done. I haven't spent enough time in these communities to get any specifics, tho' (if there are any specifics!).

That's the thing, you could spend all the time you want and all the achievements listed would be all the diversionary tactics he uses,
so, you'd get
- He's ending the war on Christmas
or
- He's standing up to political correctness
or
- He's sticking up for the anthem
He doles out patriotism to his base like morphine.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

That's the thing, you could spend all the time you want and all the achievements listed would be all the diversionary tactics he uses,
so, you'd get
- He's ending the war on Christmas
or
- He's standing up to political correctness
or
- He's sticking up for the anthem
He doles out patriotism to his base like morphine.

^^^^^^^^^^^^
Things are the things "that demographic" cares about most. Not the actual issues. But these perceived cultural slights. It's madness.

 

[dholliday]

That's the thing, you could spend all the time you want and all the achievements listed would be all the diversionary tactics he uses,
so, you'd get
- He's ending the war on Christmas
or
- He's standing up to political correctness
or
- He's sticking up for the anthem
He doles out patriotism to his base like morphine.

If such things count for more than real tangible policy achievements than it's not far off the cult-of-personality nations like Philippines under Duterte or Chechen under Kadyrov. It's strongman stuff which should be seen a little primitive for progressive nations. I'm not sure US has ever had a strongman President before. The regression to that form of leader is deffo an interesting one for the history books.

 

[SteveSC]

If such things count for more than real tangible policy achievements than it's not far off the cult-of-personality nations like Philippines under Duterte or Chechen under Kadyrov. It's strongman stuff which should be seen a little primitive for progressive nations. I'm not sure US has ever had a strongman President before. The regression to that form of leader is deffo an interesting one for the history books.

I think you are onto what his base believes. Many of the comments from friends and coworkers i hear is "he outspoken (in a good way apparently)", "says what he feels", "hes tough"

If you notice some of the people Trump lauds in the world its those like Duterte etc...

He has either praised or congratulated most of them now at this point.

He is a fan of the dictator types and sometime i think he believes he can act like them too. I think his attempts to bully people and dis them every time they upset or don't praise him speaks volumes.

In his early days when he won he was looking for loop holes and presidential things not written down so he didn't have to follow them or he could exploit them instead of following suit and respecting the office.

The problem is he can never back any of it up with anything of substance and he's lucky Ryan and McConnell are weak and all about themselves.

 

[SteveSC]

Aye, I heard something about that. Without knowing anything about the company she works for, aren't a lot of the defence and security services based in Virginia? Conscious of jumping to conclusions, I'd imagine a degree of 'patriotism' is key for contractors in those fields, especially when the dissent was so publicly made. As I say, I have very little knowledge to base this on so it's quite possible 2+2=5.

Her lawyer apparently is going to prove that 2 other employees who insulted democrats with degrading remarks on social media were only reprimanded and if she was sacked. The fact that she was pulled in by her boss is because she used the picture on her twitter or facebook page as a profile pic and not actually for the act and it upset colleagues. It was later they decided to change tact and fire her for the act.

 

[ilikecheese]

Dangerous people...alt right is just a fancy way of saying white supremacy.

 

[abelard]

If such things count for more than real tangible policy achievements than it's not far off the cult-of-personality nations like Philippines under Duterte or Chechen under Kadyrov. It's strongman stuff which should be seen a little primitive for progressive nations. I'm not sure US has ever had a strongman President before. The regression to that form of leader is deffo an interesting one for the history books.

Thank you for summarizing the vast majority of the previous 12,354 posts in this thread.

However, by not providing balance, you have failed to observe the principle that in order to stage a quality debate, both arguments - and there can only be two - are of mathematically equal merit at all times. QED.

You should have also mentioned something about Hillary's emails, or the fact that Abe fed the fish first. Or that Duterte has overseen impressive development in the funerary services industry, and that Kadryrov is merely responding to reasonable people's frustrations with political correctness.

You have failed in your mission to identify with what you perceive as the exact geographical middle point in any discussion. I'm very disappointed in you for lowering the quality of the debate. Tut tut. Please review Robert's Rules of Order three times before posting here again.

And I hope the rest of us can transcend hese petty partisan quarrels, rise above the fray, and view all situations anywhere with 100% pure rational objective detachment.

 

[Ruairi77]

If such things count for more than real tangible policy achievements than it's not far off the cult-of-personality nations like Philippines under Duterte or Chechen under Kadyrov. It's strongman stuff which should be seen a little primitive for progressive nations. I'm not sure US has ever had a strongman President before. The regression to that form of leader is deffo an interesting one for the history books.

Bingo.
Although a strongman is usually quite smart/tactical (like Putin)
Pretty sure Trump is flying by the seat of his pants and will do anything to improve his 'ratings'. This is the reason everyone should be concerned.
Oh look, Syria just joined the Paris accord.