Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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Wow. I just saw clips of Trump's speech yesterday. The guy was on fire. No wonder MSNBC declined to show much of it. JFK-esque; the good bits of JFK. The bits where JFK supposedly wished to dismantle the CIA. I just hope Trump means it this time. For all his populist bluster his instincts were far too conservative last time around.
 
Toffee_Loaf said:
That just shows how closed minded you are. That you can't be persuaded from your own intractable beliefs despite having not heard both sides of an argument (and you attempted to accuse us of being uninformed, in denial and unintelligent). You go on criticise the church, but it looks like you that has religious convictions - they're just weirdly towards 'wanting to lockup everyone at Fox News'. Perhaps you need to have a moment of reflection yourself ....
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I already have enough information to conclude that they're guilty as sin, and enough intellect to see through legal chicanery not yet observed. Fox didn't have a responsibility to put the fire out, once started, but they had a responsibility not to throw gasoline on it. That's arson. Same applies here, and there's more than enough already in the public record to conclude both that they knowingly threw gasoline on the fire and that there was intent. That's enough to convict.

Stating historical fact is not a criticism of the Church. They're entitled to a faith-based opinion. Their actions are also more than enough evidence as to intent. They perceived a threat to their business model, and they attempted to silence said threat by force. If they did not perceive a threat, we do not observe the use of force. Simple, and the logic can be proven with math. The ensuing centuries provided more than adequate evidence that the threat was real.

You're applying your own normative framework to a non-normative explanation of a result, then trying to blame me for your own cognition. Won't work.
 
Martin Alvito said:
I already have enough information to conclude that they're guilty as sin, and enough intellect to see through legal chicanery not yet observed. Fox didn't have a responsibility to put the fire out, once started, but they had a responsibility not to throw gasoline on it. That's arson. Same applies here, and there's more than enough already in the public record to conclude both that they knowingly threw gasoline on the fire and that there was intent. That's enough to convict.

Stating historical fact is not a criticism of the Church. They're entitled to a faith-based opinion. Their actions are also more than enough evidence as to intent. They perceived a threat to their business model, and they attempted to silence said threat by force. If they did not perceive a threat, we do not observe the use of force. Simple, and the logic can be proven with math. The ensuing centuries provided more than adequate evidence that the threat was real.

You're applying your own normative framework to a non-normative explanation of a result, then trying to blame me for your own cognition. Won't work.
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You have enough information to conclude already? Why even bother with trials. Let's go straight to jail and executions? We're back to burning witches again under your wonderfully enlightened world view.

Go on tell us again how we're uninformed, in denial and unintelligent when you make statements like the one below which is just mindblowing. Ever heard of a free press? The 1st Amendment? Freedom of Speech? Freedom of Thought? Nah you know best ... Do you dream of locking people up because they disagree with you? I am worried that you've been radicalised.

Martin Alvito said:
It's a testament to the fact that, in my opinion, a strong case can be made that most everyone at Fox News should be locked up under 18 U.S. Code 2385 for 'advocating overthrow of government'.

The only reason we don't do this, again in my opinion, is certain democratic norms. I would vote to convict, just on the evidence in the public record.
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Toffee_Loaf said:
You have enough information to conclude already? Why even bother with trials. Let's go straight to jail and executions? We're back to burning witches again under your wonderfully enlightened world view.

Go on tell us again how we're uninformed, in denial and unintelligent when you make statements like the one below which is just mindblowing. Ever heard of a free press? The 1st Amendment? Freedom of Speech? Freedom of Thought? Nah you know best ... Do you dream of locking people up because they disagree with you? I am worried that you've been radicalised.
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Great point!
 
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