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Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
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Fixed. It's a swampy, meth-filled hellhole.
It's true. Stay away. Florida is full now.
Ah it's you! Knew one of the posters in here was from Florida, thought I'd throw out some hate.
Honestly never been, not within 1000 miles. Probably will do the Disney thing in the next few years, better be ace for the bloody cost.
Nothing but snakes, bugs, alligators and hurricanes. The heat index today was 102F. Save yourself while you can.
And Florida Man...
Went down to visit friends in Amelia island. Loved it.
Sorry, I mean, gators, hurricanes, madness, dont go!
Leave the petty schoolyard bickering out please
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The rain, it raineth every day
That'll close GOT.
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You forgot to add in a score when you responded to Groucho, as when you typed "3-0" below. Nothing speaks to a petty childishness more than adding in a score to one's post.
You also forgot to take some petty stab at the presumed ages of the posters, as you did here:
And here:
So really, petty schoolyard bickering is pretty much all you've done so far. Do you have anything substantive to say, apart from reminding us that you are older and thus have "experience" in the "real world"?
You also forgot to take some petty stab at the presumed ages of the posters, as you did here:
And here:
So really, petty schoolyard bickering is pretty much all you've done so far. Do you have anything substantive to say, apart from reminding us that you are older and thus have "experience" in the "real world"?
from WaPo:
The dark history behind Trump’s inflammatory language
It is remarkable, in retrospect, how many and varied were the dictatorships of the past century. Murderous regimes — states that killed large numbers of their own citizens for political reasons — arose in every possible type of society. Communist, fascist and tribal ideologies evolved in places whose cultural histories, economic status and religious traditions had nothing in common. Wealthy Germany and impoverished Rwanda. Buddhist Cambodia and Orthodox Russia.
Yet these different regimes did all have one thing in common. It was the obsession that one French scholar , writing of Cambodia, called the “mania for classification and elimination of different elements of society.” In each one of them, the groundwork for violence against a specific group — whether an ethnicity, an economic class or a political faction — was originally laid by a very particular way of using language.
In the first instance, inflammatory language was used to define an ethnic minority and to give it fictional characteristics and properties. In some cases, the targeted “tribe” was entirely fictional, created by rhetoric alone. In China, the regime sought to identify the enemy as “Blacks,” as opposed to the friendly “Reds.” The Russian Bolsheviks defined and blamed the “Enemies of the People.” The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia sought to eliminate the “75ers,” the people who had been expelled from cities in 1975.
After the unwanted group had been defined, propaganda was used to demonize and dehumanize it. In the Soviet Union, Vladimir Lenin characterized Russia’s ex-rulers as “former people,” as if their humanity had somehow been dissolved by the revolution. Germany’s Adolf Hitler and Russia’s Joseph Stalin went further, describing unwanted categories of human beings as “vermin” or “parasites” or “poisonous weeds.” The Nazis even made posters, depicting Jews as lice.
For the past half-century, memory of where it once led has made this kind of language taboo in Western democracies. Now it is undeniably back. I am not comparing President Trump or his European counterparts to Lenin or Hitler; even to do so gives all of them a significance they don’t deserve. But they have brought back the “mania for classification and elimination of different elements of society,” and this will have real consequences.
It is worth noting how often the president repeatedly conflates refugees with illegal immigrants and MS-13 gang members. This is not an accident: He has targeted a group and given them characteristics — they are violent, they are rapists, they are gang members — that don’t belong to most of them. He then describes them with dehumanizing language. Democrats, he has tweeted, “want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our country, like MS-13.” The image of “infestation” evokes, again, vermin and lice. A few weeks earlier, he spoke of MS-13 as “animals,” once again making it unclear whether he meant actual gang members or simply those who distantly resemble them.
Trump isn’t alone. Matteo Salvini, the new Italian interior minister, also recently spoke of “mass cleansing” of “entire parts” of Italy. He was speaking of Roma — gypsies — but again in a way that was unclear. He conflated “Roma” with “foreigners” and then with “children who have been taught to steal.” A bit farther east, the Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban has achieved an even greater feat: He has whipped up fear of a target group — foreign immigrants — who do not actually exist in Hungary.
I don’t believe any of these leaders are, at the moment, planning mass murder. The purpose this time is different: to define and classify a group whose existence can be used to create fear. Social media can be used to give these enemies greater numbers than they have in reality; even when they don’t exist, talk of “no-go zones” and “crime waves” can be used to win votes.
These tactics will produce casualties. The border police who took children from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border were mentally prepared to do so thanks to the language of dehumanization. About a third of Americans — most of whom would intervene if they saw a toddler being ripped away from her mother at the house next door — were prepared to accept it as well. They will also produce imitators and amplifiers, such as the Oregon woman who called for immigrants to be shot at the border, or the Fox News pundit who said there was no need to worry about those children because, after all, they aren’t American.
In the longer term, there will be another kind of price to pay: Eventually it will be impossible to discuss real immigration issues, or to talk about real immigrants, if a large part of the public has come to believe in quasi-authoritarian fictions. You can’t speak about work visas or asylum laws if you think you are being confronted by a horde of rapists. You can’t find a European solution to a real refugee crisis, involving real people displaced by war, if the public only understands them as the inhabitants of nonexistent “ no-go zones .” Veil reality in myth , and it becomes easier to manipulate — but impossible to understand or address.
The dark history behind Trump’s inflammatory language
It is remarkable, in retrospect, how many and varied were the dictatorships of the past century. Murderous regimes — states that killed large numbers of their own citizens for political reasons — arose in every possible type of society. Communist, fascist and tribal ideologies evolved in places whose cultural histories, economic status and religious traditions had nothing in common. Wealthy Germany and impoverished Rwanda. Buddhist Cambodia and Orthodox Russia.
Yet these different regimes did all have one thing in common. It was the obsession that one French scholar , writing of Cambodia, called the “mania for classification and elimination of different elements of society.” In each one of them, the groundwork for violence against a specific group — whether an ethnicity, an economic class or a political faction — was originally laid by a very particular way of using language.
In the first instance, inflammatory language was used to define an ethnic minority and to give it fictional characteristics and properties. In some cases, the targeted “tribe” was entirely fictional, created by rhetoric alone. In China, the regime sought to identify the enemy as “Blacks,” as opposed to the friendly “Reds.” The Russian Bolsheviks defined and blamed the “Enemies of the People.” The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia sought to eliminate the “75ers,” the people who had been expelled from cities in 1975.
After the unwanted group had been defined, propaganda was used to demonize and dehumanize it. In the Soviet Union, Vladimir Lenin characterized Russia’s ex-rulers as “former people,” as if their humanity had somehow been dissolved by the revolution. Germany’s Adolf Hitler and Russia’s Joseph Stalin went further, describing unwanted categories of human beings as “vermin” or “parasites” or “poisonous weeds.” The Nazis even made posters, depicting Jews as lice.
For the past half-century, memory of where it once led has made this kind of language taboo in Western democracies. Now it is undeniably back. I am not comparing President Trump or his European counterparts to Lenin or Hitler; even to do so gives all of them a significance they don’t deserve. But they have brought back the “mania for classification and elimination of different elements of society,” and this will have real consequences.
It is worth noting how often the president repeatedly conflates refugees with illegal immigrants and MS-13 gang members. This is not an accident: He has targeted a group and given them characteristics — they are violent, they are rapists, they are gang members — that don’t belong to most of them. He then describes them with dehumanizing language. Democrats, he has tweeted, “want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our country, like MS-13.” The image of “infestation” evokes, again, vermin and lice. A few weeks earlier, he spoke of MS-13 as “animals,” once again making it unclear whether he meant actual gang members or simply those who distantly resemble them.
Trump isn’t alone. Matteo Salvini, the new Italian interior minister, also recently spoke of “mass cleansing” of “entire parts” of Italy. He was speaking of Roma — gypsies — but again in a way that was unclear. He conflated “Roma” with “foreigners” and then with “children who have been taught to steal.” A bit farther east, the Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban has achieved an even greater feat: He has whipped up fear of a target group — foreign immigrants — who do not actually exist in Hungary.
I don’t believe any of these leaders are, at the moment, planning mass murder. The purpose this time is different: to define and classify a group whose existence can be used to create fear. Social media can be used to give these enemies greater numbers than they have in reality; even when they don’t exist, talk of “no-go zones” and “crime waves” can be used to win votes.
These tactics will produce casualties. The border police who took children from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border were mentally prepared to do so thanks to the language of dehumanization. About a third of Americans — most of whom would intervene if they saw a toddler being ripped away from her mother at the house next door — were prepared to accept it as well. They will also produce imitators and amplifiers, such as the Oregon woman who called for immigrants to be shot at the border, or the Fox News pundit who said there was no need to worry about those children because, after all, they aren’t American.
In the longer term, there will be another kind of price to pay: Eventually it will be impossible to discuss real immigration issues, or to talk about real immigrants, if a large part of the public has come to believe in quasi-authoritarian fictions. You can’t speak about work visas or asylum laws if you think you are being confronted by a horde of rapists. You can’t find a European solution to a real refugee crisis, involving real people displaced by war, if the public only understands them as the inhabitants of nonexistent “ no-go zones .” Veil reality in myth , and it becomes easier to manipulate — but impossible to understand or address.
Leave it please.
I asked for this to stop, so continuing it is the opposite of what I was after.
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