Donald Trump for President Thread

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kithnou said:
That's making a major assumption mate. ;)
I'll be honest with you, the last few weeks have made me totally lose interest in this whole election. I've basically had enough of the pair of them. Any of them winning is unfortunately a bad message for those that believe good always prevails over evil in life. I'm not going to let them affect my disposition.
I'll watch the final "debate" for entertainment's sake and enjoy the election day for the spectacle it will be.
I'm over them.
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I get it - in so many ways I'm over this, as well - I just want to crack a bottle, lean back in the chair and laugh at it all.

But I do worry, seriously, about the direction the Supreme Court will take after January 20th (when the next President will be inaugurated); I worry about how we relate to countries around the world, and our neighbors down the street. I see so much willful ignorance on people's part, people closing their eyes to things that should shock them and make them question their actions, that it is scary sometime.

I know that trying to correct everything we hear and read is impossible - it's pushing against the sea. At the same time, when I see people repeat a slogan because it's easier and fits a neat check-box in their mind, I work to change that. "Absolute truth" may never be ours, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't challenge ourselves to find the best information we can,draw the best (most logical, reasonable) conclusions we can and act on those.

I spend each Wednesday evening, cold-calling for Hillary Clinton - I've never done that before in a campaign. It's not because she's the chosen one and will lead us to ever-lasting glory. (I do think she has a better vision for the US and is certainly much better qualified than Trump.) It's because, most importantly, Donald Trump can't become our next president.

<Steps off soap-box>

And now, I have to meet with an employee who's about to get fired because I just got the results from her random drug screen and secondary confirmatory testing.

So this was therapeutic.
 
MrPerfectNot said:
I get it - in so many ways I'm over this, as well - I just want to crack a bottle, lean back in the chair and laugh at it all.

But I do worry, seriously, about the direction the Supreme Court will take after January 20th (when the next President will be inaugurated); I worry about how we relate to countries around the world, and our neighbors down the street. I see so much willful ignorance on people's part, people closing their eyes to things that should shock them and make them question their actions, that it is scary sometime.

I know that trying to correct everything we hear and read is impossible - it's pushing against the sea. At the same time, when I see people repeat a slogan because it's easier and fits a neat check-box in their mind, I work to change that. "Absolute truth" may never be ours, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't challenge ourselves to find the best information we can,draw the best (most logical, reasonable) conclusions we can and act on those.

I spend each Wednesday evening, cold-calling for Hillary Clinton - I've never done that before in a campaign. It's not because she's the chosen one and will lead us to ever-lasting glory. (I do think she has a better vision for the US and is certainly much better qualified than Trump.) It's because, most importantly, Donald Trump can't become our next president.

<Steps off soap-box>

And now, I have to meet with an employee who's about to get fired because I just got the results from her random drug screen and secondary confirmatory testing.

So this was therapeutic.
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It must be hard being an American right now.
 
kithnou said:
It must be hard being an American right now.
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Answering this as a sincere comment (which is how I think you intended it).

It is and it isn't.

It is hard because I think we are collectively trying to figure out how we "stay great" and "become better" all at the same time. I use quotes because those phrases are heavily loaded and mean so many different things to all Americans. You see it expressed in the populist demagoguery of Trump and in the anger of Black Lives Matter; you see the need to become better when you see senseless tragedy in a school shooting and the demonstration of "greatness" when we can use astounding military resources in a humanitarian role such as hurricane recovery in Haiti. In so many ways, America is a contradiction that is trying to define its future - there are things from our past that we must never let go of and other things that we must learn from and never repeat. This election is part of that dialog - it's ugly, it's depressing, but it is necessary for us.

It isn't hard in so many other ways. I have no worries that tonight there'll be clean water coming from the tap in the kitchen sink, that my 16 year old son will be able to use the internet as he writes a position paper for a school civics class and that I'll have a good place to come to work tomorrow. At the same time, there are so many in the US that don't have the same confidence in their tomorrows.

I just watched the documentary in the previous few posts. There's a perspective there that I appreciate and can intellectually understand, but I've not experienced. My comments in this post are from my perspective - that of a middle-aged, college-educated white male - from the perspective of those citizens in West Virginia, I might live on a different planet.
 
MrPerfectNot said:
Answering this as a sincere comment (which is how I think you intended it).
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100%

MrPerfectNot said:
America is a contradiction that is trying to define its future - there are things from our past that we must never let go of and other things that we must learn from and never repeat. This election is part of that dialog - it's ugly, it's depressing, but it is necessary for us.
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Well said. Such a great country. Always had a great time there and treated with respect and welcomed. But it is indeed so full of contradictions and nobody seems to be doing anything about this.
 
MrPerfectNot said:
Answering this as a sincere comment (which is how I think you intended it).

It is and it isn't.

It is hard because I think we are collectively trying to figure out how we "stay great" and "become better" all at the same time. I use quotes because those phrases are heavily loaded and mean so many different things to all Americans. You see it expressed in the populist demagoguery of Trump and in the anger of Black Lives Matter; you see the need to become better when you see senseless tragedy in a school shooting and the demonstration of "greatness" when we can use astounding military resources in a humanitarian role such as hurricane recovery in Haiti. In so many ways, America is a contradiction that is trying to define its future - there are things from our past that we must never let go of and other things that we must learn from and never repeat. This election is part of that dialog - it's ugly, it's depressing, but it is necessary for us.

It isn't hard in so many other ways. I have no worries that tonight there'll be clean water coming from the tap in the kitchen sink, that my 16 year old son will be able to use the internet as he writes a position paper for a school civics class and that I'll have a good place to come to work tomorrow. At the same time, there are so many in the US that don't have the same confidence in their tomorrows.

I just watched the documentary in the previous few posts. There's a perspective there that I appreciate and can intellectually understand, but I've not experienced. My comments in this post are from my perspective - that of a middle-aged, college-educated white male - from the perspective of those citizens in West Virginia, I might live on a different planet.
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Brilliant post.

It has ever been thus. As society increases in complexity some basic understandings break down and large divides develop. American society is incredibly complex due to its inherent nature. That complexity is leading to instability as various groups with completely different lives all have to form a consensus.

The most important thing to do is to try and retain compassion and empathy for those that disagree. Most of them are not evil or stupid. They simply have a different life, a different set of values, and a different perspective. In areas that we cannot compromise, we still need to engage people and attempt to cajole them to our side with evidence and rhetoric. We must attempt to understand each other so we can cross the divides.

However, there are many forces working against that - complexity is one. Another is isolation - it is very easy (I know) to surround yourself with like-minded people and live in an echo chamber. The internet helps this - you don't have to go anywhere except your home and (maybe) workplace any longer if you choose not to - and many do choose isolation over conflict (for obvious reasons). But that conflict is where understanding develops...without it...well, we'll figure out what'll happen I guess.
 
MrPerfectNot said:
I get it - in so many ways I'm over this, as well - I just want to crack a bottle, lean back in the chair and laugh at it all.

But I do worry, seriously, about the direction the Supreme Court will take after January 20th (when the next President will be inaugurated); I worry about how we relate to countries around the world, and our neighbors down the street. I see so much willful ignorance on people's part, people closing their eyes to things that should shock them and make them question their actions, that it is scary sometime.

I know that trying to correct everything we hear and read is impossible - it's pushing against the sea. At the same time, when I see people repeat a slogan because it's easier and fits a neat check-box in their mind, I work to change that. "Absolute truth" may never be ours, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't challenge ourselves to find the best information we can,draw the best (most logical, reasonable) conclusions we can and act on those.

I spend each Wednesday evening, cold-calling for Hillary Clinton - I've never done that before in a campaign. It's not because she's the chosen one and will lead us to ever-lasting glory. (I do think she has a better vision for the US and is certainly much better qualified than Trump.) It's because, most importantly, Donald Trump can't become our next president.

<Steps off soap-box>

And now, I have to meet with an employee who's about to get fired because I just got the results from her random drug screen and secondary confirmatory testing.

So this was therapeutic.
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Really stand in awe at your commitment. I'm a democrat but have never warmed to Hilary. I supported Bernie in the primaries and campaigned for him in NC - likewise with Obama 8 years earlier. There's just something about Hilary...

But.. she's a democrat so she has to get my support. The thought of a republican president coming in and electing (probably) four new supreme court justices is scary. I know someone says at every election "this will shape the next generation" blah, blah, blah... but on the supreme court this is absolutely true.
 
ncblue said:
Really stand in awe at your commitment. I'm a democrat but have never warmed to Hilary. I supported Bernie in the primaries and campaigned for him in NC - likewise with Obama 8 years earlier. There's just something about Hilary...

But.. she's a democrat so she has to get my support. The thought of a republican president coming in and electing (probably) four new supreme court justices is scary. I know someone says at every election "this will shape the next generation" blah, blah, blah... but on the supreme court this is absolutely true.
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Maybe get that spelling of her name correct before election day? ;)
 
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