Does Cahill hold us back

[Seamus Colemole]

Yeah. He's ****e Cahill FFS!


yeah right.

Well you wouldn't dig Dixie up and play him against the rs next time just because he has a good record against them would you?

Everyone else seems to of agreed Cahill is a highly important member of our squad and has a place in the team just not as a guaranteed starter playing every minute possible.

Right guys?

 

[DualityNSNO]

Well you wouldn't dig Dixie up and play him against the rs next time just because he has a good record against them would you?

Everyone else seems to of agreed Cahill is a highly important member of our squad and has a place in the team just not as a guaranteed starter playing every minute possible.

Right guys?

Right.

 

[RFUS]

Well you wouldn't dig Dixie up and play him against the rs next time just because he has a good record against them would you?

Everyone else seems to of agreed Cahill is a highly important member of our squad and has a place in the team just not as a guaranteed starter playing every minute possible.

Right guys?

Not everyone but that's my opinion.

I don't have a problem with Cahill, just Moyes' refusal to adapt for the task at hand. Unless injuries force his hand.

 

[Warrington Dan]

Cahill has fight and positioning that can't be matched by any of our players. He is up there every season as one of our leading goalscorers.

Cahill scores MORE from open play then he does from set pieces. Cahill is also VERY VERY underrated with his feet. Just because he scores headers people just assume that's all he's good for. Tim Cahill is a Everton legend!!!

 

[RFUS]

Cahill has fight and positioning that can't be matched by any of our players. He is up there every season as one of our leading goalscorers.

Cahill scores MORE from open play then he does from set pieces. Cahill is also VERY VERY underrated with his feet. Just because he scores headers people just assume that's all he's good for. Tim Cahill is a Everton legend!!!

Right. 'Fight' is great and all but when we're sitting 14th in the table (where we were before he left for the Asia cup) quality and creativity start to look a lot better.

He is always one of our leading goalscorers because he plays as a support striker almost every single game, and our proper strikers are always either gash or prone to injury.

Duncan Ferguson was an Everton legend but there comes a time when your legends need to take a back seat, and maybe be utilised from the bench instead of being the first names on the team sheet.

And finally, he is actually a lot better with his feet than people give him credit for. But then for all I know (or dream) Sylvain Distin is very good with his fingers. It doesn't really matter when it's got little to do with his game. We use Cahill for his physical presence and his heading prowess. The fact that he's okay on the ball doesn't justify putting him in a position where we have more technically accomplished players available.

 

[billycopper]

Dont mind the look of that to be fair....

Howard
Coleman Heitinga Distin Baines
Arteta Fellaini
Saha Osman Anichebe
Cahill​

Certainly gives Arteta a chance to play from deep. Could alternate with Osman, Osman can provide creativity. Cahill can hussle defenders and get up and down...creating space for Anichebe and Saha - both have worked on the wings before. Blood Gueye, Barkley...and Rodwell can fit in Ossie boots...

Or even (as Saha is generally injured)

Howard
Coleman Heitinga Distin Baines
Osman Fellaini
Gueye Rodwell Arteta
Cahill​

Depends on who we're playing against.

Haven't we established that Arteta doesn't enjoy playing so deep and that he is far from his best in that position? Why is Saha on the left and Cahill upfront? Why is Anichebe in the side?

Your second version is a bit better but wouldn't you swap Osman and Rodwell? Why is Cahill the lone striker instead of Beckford?

 

[Warrington Dan]

Right. 'Fight' is great and all but when we're sitting 14th in the table (where we were before he left for the Asia cup) quality and creativity start to look a lot better.

He is always one of our leading goalscorers because he plays as a support striker almost every single game, and our proper strikers are always either gash or prone to injury.

Duncan Ferguson was an Everton legend but there comes a time when your legends need to take a back seat, and maybe be utilised from the bench instead of being the first names on the team sheet.

And finally, he is actually a lot better with his feet than people give him credit for. But then for all I know (or dream) Sylvain Distin is very good with his fingers. It doesn't really matter when it's got little to do with his game. We use Cahill for his physical presence and his heading prowess. The fact that he's okay on the ball doesn't justify putting him in a position where we have more technically accomplished players available.

I wouldn't mind seeing Artekkers or Bilyaletdinov there. If Bilyaletdinov could find just half yard in front of goal then we could see another screamer from the lad. But back to Cahill. We don't need a skillful/ creative player there because lets face it; most of our attack go down the wings which suits Everton AND Cahill perfectly.

 

[Warrington Dan]

My starting XI idea:

Howard
Neville (c) Jagielka Distin Baines
Rodwell Fellaini
Coleman Cahill Arteta
Saha​

 

[Rook]

We played good looking footie all last year, only Timmy kept on ruining it by being the only one who tried to put the ball in the back of the net. CAHILL OUT!!!!

 

[RFUS]

I wouldn't mind seeing Artekkers or Bilyaletdinov there. If Bilyaletdinov could find just half yard in front of goal then we could see another screamer from the lad. But back to Cahill. We don't need a skillful/ creative player there because lets face it; most of our attack go down the wings which suits Everton AND Cahill perfectly.

You're talking like the 4-5-1/4-4-1-1 is the only possible way to play, though. It's not. We can go 4-4-2, we can go 4-2-3-1 and there's probably other formations we haven't even tried yet that might work.

As for our attacks going down the wings, well you'd be right, and that's half the problem. Only Baines is any good in that position, so we're incredibly predictable. We basically just do the crab shuffle across the midfield until Baines is in space. If we had a genuine right winger then I'd have more faith, but with Cahill playing in a rigid 4-5-1/4-4-1-1 we lack sorely in ideas and creativity. And goals don't magic themselves out of the air. You need supply.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

We don't need a skillful/ creative player there because lets face it; most of our attack go down the wings which suits Everton AND Cahill perfectly.

Um no it doesn't, thats the point of this thread.

When it works it suits us perfectly, but teams have figured out how we play and how to try and stop it now so its not perfect for us anymore.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I wouldn't mind seeing Artekkers or Bilyaletdinov there. If Bilyaletdinov could find just half yard in front of goal then we could see another screamer from the lad. But back to Cahill. We don't need a skillful/ creative player there because lets face it; most of our attack go down the wings which suits Everton AND Cahill perfectly.

Yes, we don't. Let's just barely draw games, not be able to score to kill the game off and utilize ourselves around Cahill only. It will work mate, trust me.

FFS

 

[Rook]

My starting XI idea:

Howard
Neville (c) Jagielka Distin Baines
Rodwell Fellaini
Coleman Cahill Arteta
Saha​

No Osman? I only recall him being by far our best player the last 3 months of the season.

 

[Warrington Dan]

You're talking like the 4-5-1/4-4-1-1 is the only possible way to play, though. It's not. We can go 4-4-2, we can go 4-2-3-1 and there's probably other formations we haven't even tried yet that might work.

As for our attacks going down the wings, well you'd be right, and that's half the problem. Only Baines is any good in that position, so we're incredibly predictable. We basically just do the crab shuffle across the midfield until Baines is in space. If we had a genuine right winger then I'd have more faith, but with Cahill playing in a rigid 4-5-1/4-4-1-1 we lack sorely in ideas and creativity. And goals don't magic themselves out of the air. You need supply.

My starting XI idea:

Howard
Neville (c) Jagielka Distin Baines
Rodwell Fellaini
Coleman Cahill Arteta
Saha​

It can be used it various formations although I do understand where your coming from.

Cahill has been doing the same thing for years and no one is still able to mark him out the game. I love watching him wind up Vidic. Cahill is unique and other teams struggle against him. I think we should continue playing him.

 

[kenada_blue]

Haven't we established that Arteta doesn't enjoy playing so deep and that he is far from his best in that position? Why is Saha on the left and Cahill upfront? Why is Anichebe in the side?

Your second version is a bit better but wouldn't you swap Osman and Rodwell? Why is Cahill the lone striker instead of Beckford?

Its about if you had to feature Cahill.

And Saha on the left is not as in he's a winger, he'll just float from a left channel trying to pull space for Coleman to bomb on similar to Baines on the left. And Cahill is the "fighter" we've mentioned so he hussles defenders and creates opening for your attacking midfield 3 or Saha Osman and Anichebe/Gueye or Bilya etc to cause damage. Back up plan is that Cahill gets his head on a cross.

And Arteta does like playing from deep...he starts everything from deep. So while the attacking 3 are causing problems, they can always come back and let Arteta dictate play from midfield, spreading the ball about. His defensive strength is also underrated as a midfielder. Or you can drop Vic, put Arteta there, and stick Osman/Rodwell with Fellaini - probably a better shout.

Its also inter-changable, same with formation 2. Osman can drop in or get forward, same with Fellaini. Cahill can drop back allowing whoever is the central attacking midfielder to break through. Or the can swap with either left or right attacking midfielders ala Saha etc.

As for Beckford...he only works in a 4-4-2. Without Cahill. You use him with Saha or Vellios (would be good to blood him)