2025/26 David Moyes

[Toffeyman123]

This season has been night and day from the last several seasons of pain and stress. I have looked forward to, and enjoyed, watching the team again. Anyone saying get rid of Moyes is either a troll or a fool.

 

[Melcher]

This idea he won't play youth has been put forward as gospel truth and I can't quite work out where this BIG LIE picked up from?

The only player I can remember people getting upset about him not giving an opportunity to was Barkley. Who was also recovering from a serious leg break injury mind.... But actually he gave Barkley his debut at 17 as well so that's not really on.

He gave debuts to Rodwell, Gosling, Vaughan, Anichebe, Duffy

He signed quality young players in Coleman, Stones, Duffy, Dier, Mustafi.

Can throw in other young players he signed and played who weren't that good like Jutkiewicz, Gueye, and Vellios.

Look at his best signings here: Fellaini (20), Arteta (22), Baines (22), Lescott (23), Jagielka (24)

It's an utter myth that he won't play young players.

Its not just about giving someone a debut, it's about giving them the minutes to actually try and establish themselves. Those players you've mentioned from before could've have more runs when you think of some of the rubbish that's turned out for us.

Of course over 11 years he's played young players, but there's always opportunity to give them more if you want to and he just seems very risky averse. Yes he sees them in training etc, but he very rarely seems to take a punt on youth, it seems to be forced onto him although that's just the feeling I get, I could be wrong. When was the last time he unexpectedly put a young player in? That's not a question I actually know the answer to so there might be an obvious one from this season or something but nobody springs to mind.

Fairs fair, he signed Coleman who's been fantastic and what a gift to us Stones was (although Moyes never played him) but Duffy made 5 league appearances and Dier and Mustafi zero between them so I'm not sure who's side of the argument they support.

And I wouldn't say a 22, 23 or 24 year old with premier league experience is particularly a 'young player' in the sense that we're talking about.

Anyway, that's in the past, just look at this season - Aznou no league minutes, Dibling barely any, Rohl very few, George the odd 15 mins. Yes players have to earn it, but they also have to be given the chance to. I'm delighted he's got us to where we are this season but if I was a promising young player, I wouldn't see Everton under Moyes as the place to go, and that's disappointing for me.

 

[PhoenixFirebird]

Well, the bigger question for me is do we have owners who genuinely want to crack the top six?

In the absence of any solid evidence that we do, I wouldn't be sacking the Moyesiah for Iraola. Or Glasner. I just don't see the upside.

For me, it would need to be a statement manager - and there are very very few of those. If Carlo Ancelotti won the World Cup and decided he had unfinished business with Everton, then count me in. That would tell me these people are deadly serious. But I don't see any of this happening.

Do you seriously think Carlo Ancelotti will come back to Everton. Get serious people. He came to Everton because he was sacked by Napoli mid-season and he wanted his ego soothed, not because he WANTED to come to Everton. The moment a sniff of Real Madrid came in, he just lost interest in managing Everton. (Results and the style-of-play says so, doesn't it).

This is the biggest baloney that I don't understand: Statement Manager. Why? What statement are you making? I have got the biggest? Why not try for effective manager, which under the current scenario, we have in place.

 

[Efcjake]

Its not just about giving someone a debut, it's about giving them the minutes to actually try and establish themselves. Those players you've mentioned from before could've have more runs when you think of some of the rubbish that's turned out for us.

Of course over 11 years he's played young players, but there's always opportunity to give them more if you want to and he just seems very risky averse. Yes he sees them in training etc, but he very rarely seems to take a punt on youth, it seems to be forced onto him although that's just the feeling I get, I could be wrong. When was the last time he unexpectedly put a young player in? That's not a question I actually know the answer to so there might be an obvious one from this season or something but nobody springs to mind.

Fairs fair, he signed Coleman who's been fantastic and what a gift to us Stones was (although Moyes never played him) but Duffy made 5 league appearances and Dier and Mustafi zero between them so I'm not sure who's side of the argument they support.

And I wouldn't say a 22, 23 or 24 year old with premier league experience is particularly a 'young player' in the sense that we're talking about.

Anyway, that's in the past, just look at this season - Aznou no league minutes, Dibling barely any, Rohl very few, George the odd 15 mins. Yes players have to earn it, but they also have to be given the chance to. I'm delighted he's got us to where we are this season but if I was a promising young player, I wouldn't see Everton under Moyes as the place to go, and that's disappointing for me.

I think if anything what my previous post shows is that Moyes will absolutely play young players. You can nitpick over what counts as your definition of young if you want.

He will start them if they're good enough and you've just admitted he had no problems giving young players debuts and chances to impress in his first spell here.

He gave the young players plenty of minutes to prove they should be starting and when they earned it he gave them the minutes. Rooney is a prime example of this, so were Rodwell and even Gosling.

The point about Duffy, Mustafi and Dier was simply to say he does identify quality young players and isn't just signing OAPs like I've seen some claim when they repeat this bollocks about him hating young players. They would have played more if they didn't have to oust Jagielka and Distin who were quality.

How many teenagers are starting every week? They have to be good enough to get the minutes. Are we upset he didn't play Adam Forshaw or Magueye Gueye enough his first time here?

We were actually known for giving youth a chance at Everton under Moyes. Let's stop pretending he doesn't play young players if they're good enough.

 

[matty1878]

He's been at Bourenmouth...and then he had his team sold on him and they're looking for European football.

No one in football outside of sycophantic Moyes fans sees him on the same level of coaching as Iraola.

nobody atall takes you seriously

 

[PhoenixFirebird]

I think if anything what my previous post shows is that Moyes will absolutely play young players. You can nitpick over what counts as your definition of young if you want.

He will start them if they're good enough and you've just admitted he had no problems giving young players debuts and chances to impress in his first spell here.

He gave the young players plenty of minutes to prove they should be starting and when they earned it he gave them the minutes. Rooney is a prime example of this, so were Rodwell and even Gosling.

The point about Duffy, Mustafi and Dier was simply to say he does identify quality young players and isn't just signing OAPs like I've seen some claim when they repeat this bollocks about him hating young players. They would have played more if they didn't have to oust Jagielka and Distin who were quality.

How many teenagers are starting every week? They have to be good enough to get the minutes. Are we upset he didn't play Adam Forshaw or Magueye Gueye enough his first time here?

We were actually known for giving youth a chance at Everton under Moyes. Let's stop pretending he doesn't play young players if they're good enough.

Just to add to your point. We did spend a whopping amount on Dibling didn't we? He was given minutes, turns out he is not ready / not fitting the plan as of now, so he wouldn't get further minutes till he convinces the manager about his capabilities.

You are not ready = you don't play.

IIRC: Did he not tell Arnautovic at WHU in his first spell there, you don't run / track back, you don't play in my team? I seem to remember that. So he is probably asinine about holding his line, If that is a problem, I think it's a good problem.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Just to add to your point. We did spend a whopping amount on Dibling didn't we? He was given minutes, turns out he is not ready / not fitting the plan as of now, so he wouldn't get further minutes till he convinces the manager about his capabilities.

You are not ready = you don't play.

IIRC: Did he not tell Arnautovic at WHU in his first spell there, you don't run / track back, you don't play in my team? I seem to remember that. So he is probably asinine about holding his line, If that is a problem, I think it's a good problem.

Then Arnautovic became an absolute beast of a player for him.

 

[Bluepablo]

What would be your minimum expectations for a manager not named David Moyes?

Europe, a couple of good cup runs, some entertaining football & squad development would be my key performance measures.

& a win at the pit.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Rodwell, Rooney, Rice, Pickford, Januzaj, Arteta, Baines , Fellaini - all young players who got lots of minutes under Moyes.

Hell, didn’t Tony Hibbert start as a young player for Moyes and was ancient by the time he left?

 

[Bluepablo]

He bought Kevin Mirallas, a very Ndiaye type player....

Other than Barkley, which young players did he not play when he was here?

He gave premier league careers to Rodwell, Gosling, and Anichebe and going before that you can add Osman and Hibbert.

Some of these tired lines don't even pass the lightest scrutiny.

As you say Barkley. Moyes used him occasionally, Martinez came in, played him, made him believe in himself and he was great.

Moyes primary requisites seem to be to track back & not to lose the ball.

There appear to be some comparisons with Moyes & Dibling.

 

[Efcjake]

Just to add to your point. We did spend a whopping amount on Dibling didn't we? He was given minutes, turns out he is not ready / not fitting the plan as of now, so he wouldn't get further minutes till he convinces the manager about his capabilities.

You are not ready = you don't play.

IIRC: Did he not tell Arnautovic at WHU in his first spell there, you don't run / track back, you don't play in my team? I seem to remember that. So he is probably asinine about holding his line, If that is a problem, I think it's a good problem.

People point to the likes of Mustafi, Dier, and Barkley as examples of him not giving the young players enough of a chance here.

Mustafi and Dier both didn't walk into starting for Sampdoria and Sporting immediately after leaving our reserves. Mustafi and Dier were both played at right back and weren't immediate starters, they had to impress in their opportunities like any other young player.

As you say Barkley. Moyes used him occasionally, Martinez came in, played him, made him believe in himself and he was great.

Moyes primary requisites seem to be to track back & not to lose the ball.

There appear to be some comparisons with Moyes & Dibling.

Moyes played Fellaini there ahead of him and Fellaini scored 11 league goals.

Martinez didn't have Fellaini in the squad so who knows what might have happened if he did.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

This season has been night and day from the last several seasons of pain and stress. I have looked forward to, and enjoyed, watching the team again. Anyone saying get rid of Moyes is either a troll or a fool.

Or has a different opinion to you, who are you to call others fools?

 

[Drico]

Do you seriously think Carlo Ancelotti will come back to Everton. Get serious people. He came to Everton because he was sacked by Napoli mid-season and he wanted his ego soothed, not because he WANTED to come to Everton. The moment a sniff of Real Madrid came in, he just lost interest in managing Everton. (Results and the style-of-play says so, doesn't it).

This is the biggest baloney that I don't understand: Statement Manager. Why? What statement are you making? I have got the biggest? Why not try for effective manager, which under the current scenario, we have in place.

No, I don't seriously think that. Therefore, I'll ignore the rest of your superfluous guff.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

He still had his team last year and Moyes was winning more points than him then with the relegation level outfit you expected to finish 16th under Dyche.

It's just the newest pair of brown brogues for you to fantasize over.

He should be above us with that Bournemouth squad he has.

Look how much more has been invested in that squad than the one Moyes has to work with:

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If anything, Iraola has been a failure if David Moyes can bring our pauper's squad anywhere close to his.

Absolutely ruined him with this Jakey.

 

[Melcher]

I think if anything what my previous post shows is that Moyes will absolutely play young players. You can nitpick over what counts as your definition of young if you want.

He will start them if they're good enough and you've just admitted he had no problems giving young players debuts and chances to impress in his first spell here.

He gave the young players plenty of minutes to prove they should be starting and when they earned it he gave them the minutes. Rooney is a prime example of this, so were Rodwell and even Gosling.

The point about Duffy, Mustafi and Dier was simply to say he does identify quality young players and isn't just signing OAPs like I've seen some claim when they repeat this bollocks about him hating young players. They would have played more if they didn't have to oust Jagielka and Distin who were quality.

How many teenagers are starting every week? They have to be good enough to get the minutes. Are we upset he didn't play Adam Forshaw or Magueye Gueye enough his first time here?

We were actually known for giving youth a chance at Everton under Moyes. Let's stop pretending he doesn't play young players if they're good enough.

You can call it nitpicking if you like, but I don't see how you can call players between 22 and 24 who'd already played 100 or even 200 games before we signed them as 'young players' in the context we've been talking about.

There's no point in signing good young players if you're not going to play them, that doesn't help us at all.

Quite a few prem teams have teenagers starting every week. Last weekend Bournemouth went to Arsenal with two teenagers starting and won. Chelsea also started two (and admittedly got stuffed). And plenty of others had starters or people in their early twenties who came through the ranks and were played young.

Moyes is a really good manager and he's done really well this last year, but it doesn't mean he's immune to criticism. Of course he plays some young players, I just think in comparison to other managers, it's not as often. Put it this way, ignoring being an Everton fan, if you were a young player, would you go to Bournemouth or Everton?