2025/26 David Moyes

[Efcjake]

Hibbert had broken through before Moyes arrived and Osman was on loan at Derby until he was 23. That's splitting hairs though.

Of course over 11 years as manager, he did bring some young players through, but I'd say there could've been more and he could've done it earlier. It's obviously unanswerable though because we'll never know what careers people might've had. Look at Harry Kane, he was going nowhere at 20 and only played because of an injury crisis and never looked back. He's obviously a special case but what I mean is, nobody particularly saw him as having big potential, it's only by getting an unexpected run that he made it.

I don't expect him to suddenly be starting a bunch of 19 year olds but one here or there and some more sub appearances for others shouldn't have been out the question.

Anyway, I'm not here for an argument, I just think there's some valid arguments on both sides and it doesn't have to be as polarised as it often seems to get in here.

Hibbo wasn't starting before Moyes arrived, neither was Osman.

You say there could have been more and I've pointedly asked you who they were? Give me some names.

Who are these young players he didn't play when he was last here? Jose Baxter?

It's a myth that he wouldn't play young players the last time he was here.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Hibbo wasn't starting before Moyes arrived, neither was Osman.

You say there could have been more and I've pointedly asked you who they were? Give me some names.

Who are these young players he didn't play when he was last here? Jose Baxter?

It's a myth that he wouldn't play young players the last time he was here.

Wasted a generational talent, there.

Nick Chadwick shoulda been Everton no. 9 for a decade, damn you Moyes for ruining his potential.

 

[Furey1878]

I think Iraola is a really good manager, but it’s just not the time. If we chase him and he says no (word is he’s going back to Spain), then we’ve just rocked our own boat over for no reason.

Couldn't have put that better myself, mate.

Any manager that gets this club into Europe right now should be given the chance to mange the following season's European campaign.

Once we're regularly in the mix for Europe, we can aim for the next best prospect in management.

 

[smileychap]

I think it is more a case of being burned and shooting for the moon too quickly, after all that has gone on in the last few years.

I am not a total Moyes in or out person, I would be OK with him staying and if he goes then hopefully we can make the right appointment. If he stays, I would hope it would be 'stabilising' higher mid table, as in regular Europe, with an eye on getting a recruitment process to aim higher, after he is gone.

I would add that I think one of the risks of getting rid of him too soon is that the players, seemingly, are enjoying playing for him. That is massive in the whole scheme of things, and rocking that boat is not always the best course of action, in the short term. If we have Moyes leaving on his own terms it will enable a smoother transition, well that is the theory anyway .

Very very good point on the reaction of players to Moyes.

I've always had time for Moyes V1 and V2, but was VERY CONCERNED in Jan/ Feb at the formations played, points dropped and obvious bad business of last summer to support a Europe push.

In those posts I made three redeeming points for what was otherwise a period of mgt not good enough for him to stay:

- Team putting in a shift, mostly
- Moyes teams tend to finish seasons well
- flat table and opportunity to grab Europe still

Our run in is not much worse than others. Are there any ( likely ) scenarios where 8 and 9th make Europe?

I would take that and opportunity for recruitment purposes (obvs Europa League preferable) and think it would be a 'good' season for Moyes, barring cup disappointment for ST holders.

 

[matty1878]

Apologies, I didn’t know Moyes had signed an extension already.

no smoke without fire

 

[matty1878]

True. But what else do we really have to go on than the past?

Just judging from what we've seen so far since he's been back, is his use of young players any different or style of play noticeably changed? I wouldn't particularly say so, and I think he's probably fairly lucky to have inherited Ndiaye as I don't really see him as being someone Moyes would have bought, although that could be me being unfair.

what @Efcjake said

 

[matty1878]

Looks like he's going back to Bilbao.

Family reasons a factor.

dave will blame TFG group for not kidnapping him or not offering 15 mill a week

 

[Bedfordblue]

He still had his team last year and Moyes was winning more points than him then with the relegation level outfit you expected to finish 16th under Dyche.

It's just the newest pair of brown brogues for you to fantasize over.

He should be above us with that Bournemouth squad he has.

Look how much more has been invested in that squad than the one Moyes has to work with:

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If anything, Iraola has been a failure if David Moyes can bring our pauper's squad anywhere close to his.

Isn’t that table over 5 years therefore including 2 years he wasn’t even there?
Last season alone they had a £130m transfer profit.

Don’t suppose you have the net spend for his time there do you?

 

[Efcjake]

Wasted a generational talent, there.

Nick Chadwick shoulda been Everton no. 9 for a decade, damn you Moyes for ruining his potential.

This idea he won't play youth has been put forward as gospel truth and I can't quite work out where this BIG LIE picked up from?

The only player I can remember people getting upset about him not giving an opportunity to was Barkley. Who was also recovering from a serious leg break injury mind.... But actually he gave Barkley his debut at 17 as well so that's not really on.

He gave debuts to Rodwell, Gosling, Vaughan, Anichebe, Duffy

He signed quality young players in Coleman, Stones, Duffy, Dier, Mustafi.

Can throw in other young players he signed and played who weren't that good like Jutkiewicz, Gueye, and Vellios.

Look at his best signings here: Fellaini (20), Arteta (22), Baines (22), Lescott (23), Jagielka (24)

It's an utter myth that he won't play young players.

 

[Efcjake]

Isn’t that table over 5 years therefore including 2 years he wasn’t even there?
Last season alone they had a £130m transfer profit.

Don’t suppose you have the net spend for his time there do you?

Yes it is including 2 years he wasn't there, does that mean the squad wasn't being invested in for the 2 years he wasn't there? No, it doesn't so that's a moot point isn't it.

Last season they had a £130m transfer profit and when you factor that in they have still had a net spend over £100m higher than us over the last 5 seasons.

 

[Vaughan]

Very very good point on the reaction of players to Moyes.

I've always had time for Moyes V1 and V2, but was VERY CONCERNED in Jan/ Feb at the formations played, points dropped and obvious bad business of last summer to support a Europe push.

In those posts I made three redeeming points for what was otherwise a period of mgt not good enough for him to stay:

- Team putting in a shift, mostly
- Moyes teams tend to finish seasons well
- flat table and opportunity to grab Europe still

Our run in is not much worse than others. Are there any ( likely ) scenarios where 8 and 9th make Europe?

I would take that and opportunity for recruitment purposes (obvs Europa League preferable) and think it would be a 'good' season for Moyes, barring cup disappointment for ST holders.

good point

i think most of the players seem really happy under him and have progressed. and the side clearly has a real spirit and togetherness that he has fostered

i can imagine aznou and dibling probably wanting to play for another manager, but likes of garner, kdh, grealish , ndiaye all flourishing under him after wobbly spells elsewhere or under over managers at everton in garners case

 

[Bedfordblue]

Yes it is including 2 years he wasn't there, does that mean the squad wasn't being invested in for the 2 years he wasn't there? No, it doesn't so that's a moot point isn't it.

Last season they had a £130m transfer profit and when you factor that in they have still had a net spend over £100m higher than us over the last 5 seasons.

He was appointed after they finished 15th in 22/23 and he has had a net spend of £66m in his time there.
Lost 4 of his starting back 5 last summer too iirc.
Currently 2 points behind us, thats quite a high bar you are using if he’s a failure.

 

[Efcjake]

He was appointed after they finished 15th in 22/23 and he has had a net spend of £66m in his time there.
Lost 4 of his starting back 5 last summer too.
Currently 2 points behind us, thats quite a high bar you are using if he’s a failure.

The squad he inherited when he took the job finished 15th and had just had nearly £80 million invested into it the year before.

That's a bit different than the squad Moyes took over that had no investment for five years.

The fact is that more has been spent on their squad by Bournemouth than Everton in the past five seasons so Iraola should be doing a better job than Moyes with his more valuable squad.

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

He's been at Bourenmouth...and then he had his team sold on him and they're looking for European football.

No one in football outside of sycophantic Moyes fans sees him on the same level of coaching as Iraola.

Dave, all you're doing is playing Style Wars™ you hipster.

Ohhh, a Spanish coach...

xx

 

[Drico]

Is this squad anywhere close to crashing the top six yet?

I get the desire for ambitions greater than David Moyes, I really do, we all want us to be the best we can be.

I still think we are another year of two of quality additions to the squad before expectations can reach that level

Well, the bigger question for me is do we have owners who genuinely want to crack the top six?

In the absence of any solid evidence that we do, I wouldn't be sacking the Moyesiah for Iraola. Or Glasner. I just don't see the upside.

For me, it would need to be a statement manager - and there are very very few of those. If Carlo Ancelotti won the World Cup and decided he had unfinished business with Everton, then count me in. That would tell me these people are deadly serious. But I don't see any of this happening.