2025/26 David Moyes

[Efcjake]

You can call it nitpicking if you like, but I don't see how you can call players between 22 and 24 who'd already played 100 or even 200 games before we signed them as 'young players' in the context we've been talking about.

There's no point in signing good young players if you're not going to play them, that doesn't help us at all.

Quite a few prem teams have teenagers starting every week. Last weekend Bournemouth went to Arsenal with two teenagers starting and won. Chelsea also started two (and admittedly got stuffed). And plenty of others had starters or people in their early twenties who came through the ranks and were played young.

Moyes is a really good manager and he's done really well this last year, but it doesn't mean he's immune to criticism. Of course he plays some young players, I just think in comparison to other managers, it's not as often. Put it this way, ignoring being an Everton fan, if you were a young player, would you go to Bournemouth or Everton?

Maybe their young players are better than their other players and ours aren't?

If they're good enough he's shown in the past he will play young players.

 

[Melcher]

Rodwell, Rooney, Rice, Pickford, Januzaj, Arteta, Baines , Fellaini - all young players who got lots of minutes under Moyes.

Hell, didn’t Tony Hibbert start as a young player for Moyes and was ancient by the time he left?

Pickford had already played over 100 games and was 23 when we signed him, Arteta and Baines very similar, Fellaini had played over 60 games and was a bit younger.

I'll give you the others though, fair enough.

Hibbert had played a few games before Moyes but not many.

 

[Marius57]

He still had his team last year and Moyes was winning more points than him then with the relegation level outfit you expected to finish 16th under Dyche.

It's just the newest pair of brown brogues for you to fantasize over.

He should be above us with that Bournemouth squad he has.

Look how much more has been invested in that squad than the one Moyes has to work with:

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If anything, Iraola has been a failure if David Moyes can bring our pauper's squad anywhere close to his.

Bournemouth spent £170m in the summer. Dave’s acting like they sold the entire squad and didn’t spend anything to replace them.

Whereas in the summer the effectively sold 4 players to make the money.

 

[Melcher]

Maybe their young players are better than their other players and ours aren't?

If they're good enough he's shown in the past he will play young players.

Yeah, that's possible. It's also possible that their manager puts a bit less value in experience and will trust youth more. It's all just us bickering with each other though, we'll never know.

Again, it's all opinions because we have no way of knowing but my gut feeling is that Moyes is more reluctant than other managers to throw a young player in. Sometimes that could be a good thing but overall I'd prefer to put a bit more faith in a young player.

 

[Bluepablo]

Just to add to your point. We did spend a whopping amount on Dibling didn't we? He was given minutes, turns out he is not ready / not fitting the plan as of now, so he wouldn't get further minutes till he convinces the manager about his capabilities.

You are not ready = you don't play.

IIRC: Did he not tell Arnautovic at WHU in his first spell there, you don't run / track back, you don't play in my team? I seem to remember that. So he is probably asinine about holding his line, If that is a problem, I think it's a good problem.

Isn’t the coach supposed to get him ready though.

Dibling is obviously talented so it’s not as though he isn’t good enough.

 

[Swartzy]

Isn’t the coach supposed to get him ready though.

Dibling is obviously talented so it’s not as though he isn’t good enough.

Look at George on Saturday
and look at Dibling previously. Both got talent, both the same age, yet one walks straight on the field to make an impression..

Coaching someone will certainly help them on a training pitch, but it only counts when you can take it to the field. That's Dibling's job..

He will get more chances, but it's down to him to take them..

 

[PhoenixFirebird]

Isn’t the coach supposed to get him ready though.

Dibling is obviously talented so it’s not as though he isn’t good enough.

I absolutely agree with you and to add to what @Swartzy has already mentioned, The coach gives directions at the training groud. This is what we expect from you in given scenario on a given matchday against a given team (Disclaimer: I have no idea, as I am NOT a coach, this is purely conjecture based on common sense). The player either cracks on or doesn't... On the training ground. If he does, then the manager gives him a few minutes to test out in actual game. The player performs and grabs the opportunity, the player keeps playing, in all other cases, it's back to the training ground to hone the skills further.

 

[Thesouthallarms]

Moyes for another two seasons , then hands the reigns over to bainsey who goes onto become the English guardiola

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Pickford had already played over 100 games and was 23 when we signed him, Arteta and Baines very similar, Fellaini had played over 60 games and was a bit younger.

I'll give you the others though, fair enough.

Hibbert had played a few games before Moyes but not many.

I know - Moyes made him the first team keeper at Sunderland and supposedly recommended him to us. The point is, he signs good young players and develops them into internationals. He also promotes internally if players are good enough. Isn't that exactly the sort of approach a club our size needs?

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Moyes for another two seasons , then hands the reigns over to bainsey who goes onto become the English guardiola

Bainsiola?

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Yeah, that's possible. It's also possible that their manager puts a bit less value in experience and will trust youth more. It's all just us bickering with each other though, we'll never know.

Again, it's all opinions because we have no way of knowing but my gut feeling is that Moyes is more reluctant than other managers to throw a young player in. Sometimes that could be a good thing but overall I'd prefer to put a bit more faith in a young player.

Its a gut feeling many have, but doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Do you seriously think Carlo Ancelotti will come back to Everton. Get serious people. He came to Everton because he was sacked by Napoli mid-season and he wanted his ego soothed, not because he WANTED to come to Everton. The moment a sniff of Real Madrid came in, he just lost interest in managing Everton. (Results and the style-of-play says so, doesn't it).

This is the biggest baloney that I don't understand: Statement Manager. Why? What statement are you making? I have got the biggest? Why not try for effective manager, which under the current scenario, we have in place.

Bobby Robson wasn't a statement manager for Ipswich, but he did pretty well. Alex Ferguson certainly wasn't a statement appointment at Aberdeen. What you what is the right tool for the job, the right guy who fits a club well and also is effective.

David Moyes is our tool

 

[Swagger]

Some people also need a bit of a reality check regarding the net spend by Everton over the past 5-6 years. I would be surprised if it's even in the top 15 teams in the current premier league yet because Everton spent a bit of money last summer they should suddenly be finishing in the top 6 according to some!

It takes several seasons to construct a squad and if Everton finish even in the top 10 then they will have overachieved given the net financial outlay on the squad over the past 5-6 years plus Grealish will have missed half the season and Branthwaite has barely played.

Moyes isn't perfect and he has annoyed me at times this season with some of his ultra conservative decisions with regards to team selections, substitutions and tactics but on the whole he has again done a very good job.

 

[hallamblue]

Some people also need a bit of a reality check regarding the net spend by Everton over the past 5-6 years. I would be surprised if it's even in the top 15 teams in the current premier league yet because Everton spent a bit of money last summer they should suddenly be finishing in the top 6 according to some!

It takes several seasons to construct a squad and if Everton finish even in the top 10 then they will have overachieved given the net financial outlay on the squad over the past 5-6 years plus Grealish will have missed half the season and Branthwaite has barely played.

Moyes isn't perfect and he has annoyed me at times this season with some of his ultra conservative decisions with regards to team selections, substitutions and tactics but on the whole he has again done a very good job.

I agree with your points but how do you build a squad when you don't play the players you've bought, whilst playing a 36 year old in a pivotal role and giving Keane 25 games at centre half whilst making one of your future centre halves play right back, where he isn't very good, not to mention the lack of playing time for Rohl, Dibling and Alcaraz. It's short term thinking of the kind which got us into a mess in the first place. Fingers crossed it's only for this season and he starts looking to the medium term in the summer.

 

[smileychap]

I’d be wary of any manger coming from one of three hipster clubs.

None of them have gone to amount to anything in this league at any other club away from the comfort blanket of managing a club who’s sole purpose is to trade players.

Comments like this are why I read GOT.

Brilliant