Guarantee if we won a cup people would shift the goalposts and moan about the league position. This fanbase just wants to moan, that’s where they’re most comfortable.
I find this trophy thing a weird argument.
I see words like 'try' and 'bothered' mentioned a lot here. Are these people saying that the manager and players have not been bothered about winning trophies, all this time. All the players since 95 have all, to a man, not been bothered or tried to win a trophy.
I think it is an extremely weak argument. Every year there are different reasons for losing a cup game. Sometimes luck, sometimes players not performing, sometimes tactical decisions, sometimes squad rotation decisions. I very much doubt that not trying or not being bothered is high up on that list.
I vaguley remember that Wolves made more changes than we did, this season. If I remember rightly the manager rotation may not be the whole argument.
Sunderland, didn't watch the game, but it was right in the middle of having half the team out of action. Took them to penalties and some god awful penalties decided it.
I see words like 'try' and 'bothered' mentioned a lot here. Are these people saying that the manager and players have not been bothered about winning trophies, all this time. All the players since 95 have all, to a man, not been bothered or tried to win a trophy.
I think it is an extremely weak argument. Every year there are different reasons for losing a cup game. Sometimes luck, sometimes players not performing, sometimes tactical decisions, sometimes squad rotation decisions. I very much doubt that not trying or not being bothered is high up on that list.
I vaguley remember that Wolves made more changes than we did, this season. If I remember rightly the manager rotation may not be the whole argument.
Sunderland, didn't watch the game, but it was right in the middle of having half the team out of action. Took them to penalties and some god awful penalties decided it.
Yeah the manager just brought Reece Welch and Eli Campbell on for a laugh, because he wasn’t bothered about the cup.
Kevsleftpeg
Player Valuation: £35m
We haven’t won trophies the
We’ve won 6 cup competitions in 140 years. The league is the only thing that matters. Finishing fourth is a more meaningful achievement than winning the Fa cup.
Dunno y’know, it is at the moment.
Correct
Mostly agree
Agree however I’d take a League Cup at the moment just to break the drought.
The league is also a trophy
Kevsleftpeg
Player Valuation: £35m
Yep, the only one that matters.
John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £25m
This is key for me. I was listening to Steve McClaren on a pod recently. Not everbody's cup of tea, but has a lot of experience, and ironically/fittingly to the debate at the moment (apply as you see it) has won the League Cup. When he decided to go in to management from utd, Ferguson's advice to him was "get 7 out of 10 decisions correct and you'll be a hell of a manager." If ever proof were needed that the self appointed internet experts are just being daft moaning about every small mistake they perceive.
If a cup win is a fluke because of the "Big Boys" messing up, than what is getting a champions league spot
How many Palace/Newcastle fans look at that Day/Trophy as a Fluke.
if they were reading this thread, they would be laughing at us..
Forget the seriously strange opinions on here for a moment.
What does turning our nose up at a cup tell the players ?
I don't think the debate here has anything to do with Wolves/Sunderland. It's about fans thinking we're to big for cups..
Don’t agree.
I agree it’s the biggie, but it’s not the only one that matters. They all matter.
The debate began because of this post;
... to me, it's a cope to shrug off 30+ years of not winning a trophy.
It should be the main priority to win one every year.
Otherwise, what's the point? Lets break our neck to get into Europe, then decide to play lesser teams because the league is the priority?
4th over an FA Cup win?
/faints.
/gets back up.
Jeez, I was there vs Newcastle when we secured 4th and got the massive Villarreal fixture. I'm sure 1995 FA Cup final was more fun as a fan.
Benicetoourboys
Player Valuation: £35m
The feeling seeing us win a Cup is completely wonderful & I'd love the younger loyal blues to see it.
I'd take an FA cup, hell even a league cup win over 2nd in the league.
I'd take a conference league win over runner up in the champions league.
Its substance, winning something, over style. Forget what the hipsters or finance bores tell you, winning trophies is the aim of the game. We've not won one in over 30 years. I tell you what it's depressing when you're looking for modern things for the Mishmash - "ha remember that guy who wiped snot on some fans head" or "jagielka's worldie that got a point at anfield!" - trophies. Actual trophies are what matters.
Mindful this is the Moyes thread though so to link it back to him - Moyes gets a statue at the new stadium if he wins a trophy for Everton. He didn't get it for 4th.
David Moyes' career highlight? I tell you, it's not finishing 4th with Everton.
I'd take a conference league win over runner up in the champions league.
Its substance, winning something, over style. Forget what the hipsters or finance bores tell you, winning trophies is the aim of the game. We've not won one in over 30 years. I tell you what it's depressing when you're looking for modern things for the Mishmash - "ha remember that guy who wiped snot on some fans head" or "jagielka's worldie that got a point at anfield!" - trophies. Actual trophies are what matters.
Mindful this is the Moyes thread though so to link it back to him - Moyes gets a statue at the new stadium if he wins a trophy for Everton. He didn't get it for 4th.
David Moyes' career highlight? I tell you, it's not finishing 4th with Everton.
Looks as good a time as any for you to get a nice "Storm in a tea cup" Thread on the go..
We have a long break, Why Not
