All about opinions mate, you want to live on past outcomes that's up to you.
I want to look on future possibilities.
Maybe we all need to come back on this next season and see what posters jump out complaining if we don't a cup seriously..
I want to look on future possibilities.
Maybe we all need to come back on this next season and see what posters jump out complaining if we don't a cup seriously..
Woolly Blue
Player Valuation: £80m
Progressing the club so that our first team and squad improves obviously increases our chance of winning a cup. But doing the very best we possibly can in each cup game, even if that means prioritising those games doesn't have to wait until we're a, so called, top six team.
Realistically, to win a cup, we have to make sure we don't underperform against "lesser" opposition and we'll probably have to overperform in a couple of games against teams we recognise are better than us. If we end up losing to an obviously better team, then fair enough, I don't think many would complain.
To keep it on on-topic ... We went out of both cups this season with barely a whimper, for which Moyes is at least partly responsible. Overall, he's done well this season, but those performances against Wolves and Sunderland are negatives.
Realistically, to win a cup, we have to make sure we don't underperform against "lesser" opposition and we'll probably have to overperform in a couple of games against teams we recognise are better than us. If we end up losing to an obviously better team, then fair enough, I don't think many would complain.
To keep it on on-topic ... We went out of both cups this season with barely a whimper, for which Moyes is at least partly responsible. Overall, he's done well this season, but those performances against Wolves and Sunderland are negatives.
Mate only one of us is talking about the future and long term planning here.
It definitely does contribute to becoming a winning team in the long run. Obviously if you're someone like Wigan, it's not realistically going to make you suddenly into contenders for the league, but if you're trying to build long term success, you absolutely need the winning mentality.
Just look at Arsenal now, they don't have that experience of winning trophies and it showed last week. City, despite being behind them in the league, had that big game mentality and experience.
So often you see big managers talk about the importance of this and really needing tangible signs of progress for fans and players and evidence that the team can win things. It breeds confidence, even if it's subconscious. How often do you see teams lose their first few semifinals and finals before they crack it and then go on to have sustained success. This City team for example, lost a few finals before they finally become a trophy machine.
Also, let's be realistic, we aren't winning the league anytime soon (possibly ever), so why would you not want to win an actual trophy?
Marius57
Player Valuation: £70m
Yeah everything is about the future but I look at it realistically rather than thinking winning the carabao cup this season would have led us to challenging for 4 titles next season. I’d rather we build to it and make ourselves stronger to be able to challenge year in year out, than get a one off win now and then not win anything after it. We could have had a good cup run this year and I’m disappointed we didn’t as yes, I’d love to win a cup.
But we were literally talking about relegation half way through last season. We have literally been at the bottom of the barrel for years.
Would you have taken an fa cup win but been happy to lose to Bournemouth on the final day in 2023?
Also, if I'm a player that the club are interested in buying, I'm pretty sure seeing them lifting a trophy the year before would stick in my mind as a sign of a successful club.
I want to win lots of trophies, not just one random one. That’s why I’m talking about building a good football team that’s set up to compete for and win trophies for a prolonged period of time.
It's not an either or though. Would you have taken an fa cup win on top of beating Bournemouth?
You’re not going to beat belting out We are the Champions at Wembley. It’s been 30 years since I got to do it
They can come with both, and nobody has put a time limit on this Trophy..
Marius57
Player Valuation: £70m
Yeah. But what I’m trying to point out is, I don’t want it to be a one off win like Palace’s is likely to be.
This all started with one poster saying about how we should ignore the entire history of the cups and only consider last season. It’s morphed into whatever it is now, but ultimately, last year is a fluke when you look at the history of the cups, certainly in the last 30 years. I want us to be in finals year in year out. So we need to be realistic about it and get the squad to where it needs to be for that. Rather than looking at last season and thinking we could also fluke it.
I disagreed with Moyes approach in the cups this season, but we also have longer term goals. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t absolutely love to win a trophy.
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Kevsleftpeg
Player Valuation: £35m
I was there through the 1995 season and seasons were we finish top 6 and watch great players every week are far more enjoyable.
If we’re giving him a new contract, do we just let him sign the players he wants? Because I don’t see the logic in spending another god knows what on young players he’s not going to play.
