2025/26 David Moyes

[Wizard]

My view is that cup competitions are ultimately meaningless unless they are a platform for improved league position. For example, I would much prefer us to finish 4th and make the champions league semis every year in a ten year period but not win any cups than win two FA cups and a League cup in the same period but finish bottom half every season. I prefer watching a good team getting good results week in week out.

It won’t happen but I think the FA Cup winners should get a Champions League place over the team that finished 4th/5th in the league. If the eventual winners have qualified then the place reverts to the league rather than the runner up.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

This odds thing seems to have caused confusion, wish I had never posted now.

It’s a 40% chance of a non top team getting to one of the cup finals based on the data provided. (8 occasions in the last 20 years) not a 40% chance of Everton winning it.

2 further thoughts & then I’m done on this:

1) We are now one of the best of the rest so that should increase our chances
2) Moyes can give most teams a game if he wants to so it’s disappointing that he doesn’t seem to give the cup games a higher priority

Hopefully next year we have 3 cups to go for.

It hasn't caused confusion. Your odds are wrong. Non-top 6 sides collectively have a 40% chance of getting to a final. But that doesn't mean Everton has a 40% chance. Everton has a 3% chance. We played our strongest team against Sunderland and got beat. Wolves away seemed straightforward and the team we put out should have been good enough to win but the squad players didn't perform.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

It won’t happen but I think the FA Cup winners should get a Champions League place over the team that finished 4th/5th in the league. If the eventual winners have qualified then the place reverts to the league rather than the runner up.

I don't disagree but that would probably make it even harder to win.

 

[Swartzy]

Why is it?

1 year in isolation has a higher chance of just being a fluke. Using 20 years of data shows more realistic trends.

Before last year, when was the last time 5th and 12th won those cups? Because interestingly, one of those cups has already gone back to one of the top 2

In what world ?

That's the past, and you'll never know if you live on that, rather then give it a go..

All I'm reading is excuses to not go for a run at a cup.. Sorry mate but that is bloody tedious.

To big for a cup, Jesus, what the hell is going on with our Fanbase

 

[Swartzy]

My view is that cup competitions are ultimately meaningless unless they are a platform for improved league position. For example, I would much prefer us to finish 4th and make the champions league semis every year in a ten year period but not win any cups than win two FA cups and a League cup in the same period but finish bottom half every season. I prefer watching a good team getting good results week in week out.

Sorry Mate, but that has to be one of the most nonsense posts I have seen on here in a long time..

A cup gives a Trophy !!!!!
That trophy gives you Europe
Europe gives you money
more investment
more player appeal
spend right and the league positions will come on there own.

You've obviously forgotten the buzz a cup run gives you and how much it lifts the players..

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

This odds thing seems to have caused confusion, wish I had never posted now.

It’s a 40% chance of a non top team getting to one of the cup finals based on the data provided. (8 occasions in the last 20 years) not a 40% chance of Everton winning it.

2 further thoughts & then I’m done on this:

1) We are now one of the best of the rest so that should increase our chances
2) Moyes can give most teams a game if he wants to so it’s disappointing that he doesn’t seem to give the cup games a higher priority

Hopefully next year we have 3 cups to go for.

Oh yeah. Everyone would love a cup. It’s just how much importance you place on it. For me European qualification via the league would be the top priority. Then as you build over time you can then have a much better chance of winning a cup.

 

[Benicetoourboys]

We need a Cup.

 

[Rita_Poon]

We need a Cup.

And two girls...

 

[Kiwi_efc]

My view is that cup competitions are ultimately meaningless unless they are a platform for improved league position. For example, I would much prefer us to finish 4th and make the champions league semis every year in a ten year period but not win any cups than win two FA cups and a League cup in the same period but finish bottom half every season. I prefer watching a good team getting good results week in week out.

Surely rage bait. Dependent on age but why don't us Everton fans quit, why don't we sack the lot of it and stop letting the result of a footy match dictate our mood. I'll tell you why, because when we do win something, it will be a absolute euphoria, and I've a feeling it's in the post!!!!

 

[DayL08]

My view is that cup competitions are ultimately meaningless unless they are a platform for improved league position. For example, I would much prefer us to finish 4th and make the champions league semis every year in a ten year period but not win any cups than win two FA cups and a League cup in the same period but finish bottom half every season. I prefer watching a good team getting good results week in week out.

This has to be one of the strangest things I’ve ever read on here. Football is about winning trophys not making up the numbers which coming fourth is

Totally the wrong mindset. We haven’t won a trophy in 30 years and you would happily forego 3 in 10 years.

I look back at winning the Cup in 95 as a highlight - not coming fourth in the league. Get your priorities right

 

[Marius57]

In what world ?

That's the past, and you'll never know if you live on that, rather then give it a go..

All I'm reading is excuses to not go for a run at a cup.. Sorry mate but that is bloody tedious.

To big for a cup, Jesus, what the hell is going on with our Fanbase

I’ve not said we shouldn’t go for a cup. I’d love a cup run. And we had fairly straight forward draws this year and it’s one of the things I’m disappointed in Moyes about.

Fluke years are fluke years. It might be the past but it’s a better indicator than a fluke year of what’s likely to be the case. Doesn’t mean you can’t give it a go, but I wouldn’t expect a cup just because of a fluke year.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

This has to be one of the strangest things I’ve ever read on here. Football is about winning trophys not making up the numbers which coming fourth is

Totally the wrong mindset. We haven’t won a trophy in 30 years and you would happily forego 3 in 10 years.

I look back at winning the Cup in 95 as a highlight - not coming fourth in the league. Get your priorities right

I have my own priorities and you have yours. We lost the vast majority of games we played between about 92 until Moyes took over and the standard of football was dire. A cup win doesn't change that for me. If all I cared about was trophies i'd support a different team.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Surely rage bait. Dependent on age but why don't us Everton fans quit, why don't we sack the lot of it and stop letting the result of a footy match dictate our mood. I'll tell you why, because when we do win something, it will be a absolute euphoria, and I've a feeling it's in the post!!!!

We won the FA cup which was a good run and I enjoyed the game v Norwich, Newcastle (although they played us off the park), Spurs (one of our best ever performances). The Utd game we did ok and hung on for dear life in the second half. I care more about us being a good team, with good players that plays good football and gives everyone a game. It's a pretty shallow simplistic way of looking at football to only care about trophies. There are hundreds of thousands of fans of lower league clubs who know they are never likely to win anything. There are kids who turn up every Sunday in teams that get thrashed. Why do you think they do that if all that matters is trophies?

 

[DayL08]

We won the FA cup which was a good run and I enjoyed the game v Norwich, Newcastle (although they played us off the park), Spurs (one of our best ever performances). The Utd game we did ok and hung on for dear life in the second half. I care more about us being a good team, with good players that plays good football and gives everyone a game. It's a pretty shallow simplistic way of looking at football to only care about trophies. There are hundreds of thousands of fans of lower league clubs who know they are never likely to win anything. There are kids who turn up every Sunday in teams that get thrashed. Why do you think they do that if all that matters is trophies?

We are Everton. We are not a lower league team. We have throughout our history won trophies. We should not be there to make up the numbers

Despite what the Champions League, Sky and Kenwright/ Moyes (previously) would have you believe 4th is not acceptable. It is not winning We need to win trophies. It’s as simple as that.

Hopefully the rest of the fanbase has loftier ambitions in the next 10 years. Can someone do a poll - what would you rather do in the next 10 year - win 3 trophies or get to the Champions League semis each year by finishing 4th in the league.

 

[msb]

Firstly what a bizarre post.

I'm going to assume you do know what a meritocracy is and that you're just being a bit of a whopper.

Perhaps you can explain why Moyes has seen players perform well in games and then either dropped them or moved them into an unsuited position to get one of the older players into the position he seemed to have picked for them at the beginning of the season?

Alcaraz
Armstrong
Aznou
Iroegbunam
KDH
Patterson
Rohl

If you genuinely cant think back to a game since Moyes returned that any of these players were superior to the player in Moyes' typical 11 or at the very least in your (and the general) opinion were good enough to earn more minutes...

...then I wonder if you're more than a whopper.

Im not a fan of Rohl but he was good against Villa and dropped.

I'm not a huge fan of Iroegbunam but as soon as Gana came back, he was dropped.

Alcaraz was motm or scoring/assisting last season and moved out of position or dropped.

Etc etc.

This season it's like he chose his 11 and does anything to keep it no matter what unless he's forced into changes.

That should be obvious.

Honestly, there is no need to be rude.

My point is that we have the luxury of making sweeping statements about who we see as best picks, without any impact, apart from looking a bit daft on an internet forum.

The manager has to pick, game by game, who he thinks will get him a result - at what could be great personal jeopardy if he gets it wrong. He sees the squad and knows what he will get from them. If you look at results this season, he’s getting it right more often than wrong. Football is a results business, end of discussion.

So whilst your opinion is valid, it counts for nothing, because you don’t manage the club.

So, rather than second guess him, I tend to support our manager, whilst he is our manager. I too am allowed my opinions, without some internet troll making asinine comments about them or personal insult about me.