2025/26 David Moyes

[hetion]

Jeez, I knew we were bad but not that bad.

Worth remembering that these attacking numbers are this bad while having the majority of the season with an attacking midfield of Ndiaye, KDH and Jack Actual Grealish

After two losses Moyes dissenters have momentum on online forums like this.

In the general media and outside the club there is a general feeling hes doing a brilliant job.

In terms of expectations:

A) It seems a lot seem to think we are below where we should be with this squad.

B) We are about Par.

C) We are punching a bit were we should be with this squad - im probably here.

Personally I'm happy enough, sure defats are disappointing etc - but big picture i said id be happy with competing for Europe this season and we are - so we are about were my expectation was. Some heavy hitters (financially) anyway behind us.

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To play devil's advocate - the reason the general feeling outside the club is he's doing a brilliant job, is because people outside the club don't watch us every week and see the performances that make it very clear we've gotten pretty lucky overall.

 

[hetion]

I'm giving him one or two more starting XI's with a basically fully fit squad before I give up on him as our manager.

Burnley at home will be the ultimate test in terms of team selection and performance. If he can't even take the handbrake off there...

 

[Gilbert..]

Not a massive fan of the way he's conducted himself at Palace this season, I agree.. but I do have to also admire him speaking up against the ownership who've clearly sold him down the river with some key player sales with little else done to back him.

He's a far better coach with a much higher ceiling than Moyes, at any rate.

He's walked out of two clubs due to recruitment. Coming to a club who havent recruited a decent fullback in not far off 10 years lol. Palace have gone on winless runs under him that Moyes would have been lynched for.
Yet to be convinced he's a huge upgrade.

 

[davek]

After two losses Moyes dissenters have momentum on online forums like this.

In the general media and outside the club there is a general feeling hes doing a brilliant job.

In terms of expectations:

A) It seems a lot seem to think we are below where we should be with this squad.

B) We are about Par.

C) We are punching a bit were we should be with this squad - im probably here.

Personally I'm happy enough, sure defeats are disappointing etc - but big picture i said id be happy with competing for Europe this season and we are - so we are about were my expectation was. Some heavy hitters (financially) anyway behind us.

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We've lost 10 games mate and then there's the two lame cup defeats.

That's 12 losses out of 30 competitive games this season and 11 wins to compensate (throwing the cup win against Mansfield in).

We're playing the worst brand of football in this league apart from a couple of dominant away performances we put in.

Maybe when we fall into the bottom half of the table people will register this more readily.

Also, the media are beginning to realise Moyes needs a few words of encouragement now. They know he faces a bit of criticism among the fans.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Moyes actually does better when he has very limited options to choose from. He also used to buy better generally when he had less money available.

None of it makes much sense. But it's clear the performances have dropped off significantly in the last month since he had a far bigger squad to choose from. The main reason for me is the constant urge he has to prioritise height and physicality over team balance and players playing familiar roles.

If we can't try to play football and look bigger picture when we are just about as midtable as you'll ever be, then I dont think we ever will under DM.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Not a massive fan of the way he's conducted himself at Palace this season, I agree.. but I do have to also admire him speaking up against the ownership who've clearly sold him down the river with some key player sales with little else done to back him.

He's a far better coach with a much higher ceiling than Moyes, at any rate.

I just don't want everton playing a 3 at the back system every week. I dont think it would work under any manager.

 

[Neiler]

Worth remembering that these attacking numbers are this bad while having the majority of the season with an attacking midfield of Ndiaye, KDH and Jack Actual Grealish

To play devil's advocate - the reason the general feeling outside the club is he's doing a brilliant job, is because people outside the club don't watch us every week and see the performances that make it very clear we've gotten pretty lucky overall.

I guess in the media they have to mate - however also to play Devils advocate mate, maybe its a more objective then emotional view from result to result.

To put it another way the popular opinion (in the main) last season was he was amazing and also at times this season, either the former was wrong at the time and he's a bad manager, or the present "dinosaur" stuff cant be right in the present.

My own take is the Everton job in the calender years or just over since hes been here - is one of the toughest in the PL considering the inbox - looking at the table posted above objectively, im very alright with what hes done in a calendar year from his starting point.

 

[Milkman]

After two losses Moyes dissenters have momentum on online forums like this.

In the general media and outside the club there is a general feeling hes doing a brilliant job.

In terms of expectations:

A) It seems a lot seem to think we are below where we should be with this squad.

B) We are about Par.

C) We are punching a bit were we should be with this squad - im probably here.

Personally I'm happy enough, sure defeats are disappointing etc - but big picture i said id be happy with competing for Europe this season and we are - so we are about were my expectation was. Some heavy hitters (financially) anyway behind us.

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I think a lot of us are more frustrated than anything. Moyes is a victim of his own relative success, like he was the first time round. He's responsible for making us competitive again, and he's a brilliant manager for us in many ways, but my god is it rubbish going to watch us play every week. With more enterprise, we could be around the top six now.

He's got such a solid base of a team, but there's such a lack of imagination in how he works with the rest. We all know there are better combinations of players for certain positions, but it's almost like he reads what the fans are saying on the forums and purposely puts square pegs in round holes to wind us up.

 

[Pabbers]

B) We are about Par - This is absolutely true, it really is.

Its just those home defeats make it feel much much worse.....swap the away wins for home wins, and I don't think people are as angry/disappointed.

 

[Milkman]

I'd like to see;

Branthwaite and O'Brien centre back.
Gana dropped. Garner in midfield with Dewsbury-Hall as an 8
Ndiaye on the left.
Patterson starting, he's started in wins at Villa and Forest and in Moyes' own words, never let us down. So let's start to prioritise team balance. It's daft to have Branthwaite at left back when we have a left back on the bench, or O'Brien at right back when we have right backs on the bench.

I'd also like to see some more effort into the bigger picture and developing players we've spent a lot of money on, like Dibling, Rohl, Aznou, Alcaraz. That's a lot of money there not getting any time/development.

Hard to disagree with any of that.

I'd like to add the end of predictable substitutions (Beto > Barry 70', Midfielder > Midfielder 80').

 

[Neiler]

We've lost 10 games mate and then there's the two lame cup defeats.

That's 12 losses out of 30 competitive games this season and 11 wins to compensate (throwing the cup win against Mansfield in).

We're playing the worst brand of football in this league apart from a couple of dominant away performances we put in.

Maybe when we fall into the bottom half of the table people will register this more readily.

Also, the media are beginning to realise Moyes needs a few words of encouragement now. They know he faces a bit of criticism among the fans.

But objectively i think most Evertonians would accept, the club is still recovering - i mean if i asked you do you think we need to invest heavily in the team in the next two transfer windows - you are going to say yes.

So what happens in between, we have a manager who has to try and give the club some kind of bottom line, so we can at least get to a point where we have full backs or we look a passing offering to top players who we may want to come here - so the one we have currently has challenging for Europe - year 1 recovery. Im all right with that.

Will there be growing pains for sure - there was year 1 under Moyes 1.0. But we also know it got better and better. Hes not perfect for sure, but the bottom line in the bottom line.

Perhaps he made a rod for his own back - we're competing for Europe - being relegation fodder has been forgotten about and expectations raised - that's his job and it seems like hes done it - so is that a bad job or a good one.

Most at the start of the season said they would be happy mid-table - yet here we are wanting more - expectations have been raised.

 

[jazzy]

Burnley at home will be the ultimate test in terms of team selection and performance. If he can't even take the handbrake off there...

4 centre halves

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Let me put it this way..

If the owners decide to stick with Moyes after the summer - particularly if we finish well outside of the European places - then it just confirms to me that their medium-to-long term ambitions probably dont extend beyond some plate spinning and making a bit of profit from the new stadium down the line.. which would of course be a hugely disappointing reality.

If the Texans have true success for the club in mind, then they'll know unequivocally that it wont come with someone like Moyes at the helm beyond this year.

 

[Neiler]

I think a lot of us are more frustrated than anything. Moyes is a victim of his own relative success, like he was the first time round. He's responsible for making us competitive again, and he's a brilliant manager for us in many ways, but my god is it rubbish going to watch us play every week. With more enterprise, we could be around the top six now.

He's got such a solid base of a team, but there's such a lack of imagination in how he works with the rest. We all know there are better combinations of players for certain positions, but it's almost like he reads what the fans are saying on the forums and purposely puts square pegs in round holes to wind us up.

I dont think we're good enough mate to be honest. Thats my own take.

We took Utd away this season - but on Monday we were donr by an axis of what £200 mill + signings in one phase of play leading to the goal - Cunha to Mbuemo to Sesko - for the goal - thats what you are up against and we dont have that yet....................yet we were competitive.

We dont even have a team with full backs.

 

[milks]

He's walked out of two clubs due to recruitment. Coming to a club who havent recruited a decent fullback in not far off 10 years lol. Palace have gone on winless runs under him that Moyes would have been lynched for.
Yet to be convinced he's a huge upgrade.

The failure to recruit a fullback in the past year is down to Moyes though. Not the club.

I would have no qualms about Everton's recruitment strategy if I were an aspirant manager looking to move to a bigger club.