2025/26 David Moyes

Those squads are filled with 15 / 20 internationals due to he massive money in the prem.

I also think the prem is rubbish.....the games are not a good watch at all, its hoof & kick and rush football mostly.

Its all ok using 1 season in Europe in isolation, as its not always dominated by English teams.
But the original point was specifically about this season? The reply is relevant to the question.
 
It's explained by the fact that the overall standard of European football right now has fallen off a cliff. Real Madrid and Barcelona aren't remotely at previous levels when Guardiola, Mourinho, Luis Enrique, Zidane, and Ancelotti were at the helm. Bayern, with few top-class German internationals (because German football is in the toilet), are flat-track bullies who will be found out in the last 8. There's no Klopp figure doing bits at another German club. Italian football fell off a cliff 15 years ago and hasn't recovered. We're a long way from the days of Lippi's Juventus, Capello's Milan, or Paolo Maldini now. PSG are an artificial construct. French football is in the gutter.

That said, many of the English sides will hit a wall when they play some of the above in the knockouts. The stresses and strains of the financially doped Premier League always exact a toll.

Agree with most of this.

I think the prem is also dropping off in quality the same as europe.....we just have massive bloated squads who are dealing with European games better....its not always like this though, and the new format favors those massive squads.

I will say though, Serie A is still a great watch....the league is close and loads of good tactical games. Como are a breath of fresh air in bringing different style to Italy.
 
But the original point was specifically about this season? The reply is relevant to the question.

Fairs.....But I think its been this way for a few seasons....its just that we are more involved in the middle of this league now.

Since City dropped off....the league has "dropped off" - But in reality, it was just that City was sooo good, its dragged the league up.
 
Those squads are filled with 15 / 20 internationals due to he massive money in the prem.

I also think the prem is rubbish.....the games are not a good watch at all, its hoof & kick and rush football mostly.

Its all ok using 1 season in Europe in isolation, as its not always dominated by English teams.

Couldn’t disagree more tbh. It used to be kick and rush decades ago. If anything there is too much passing around from the back.

English teams now dominate Europe, have been the dominant force for a while now.
 
Nice positive words by Moyes today.

Deffo wanting a new contract and right now on balance the guy deserves one.

(I’ll get me tin hat on quick! )
Haha, brave man.

I'm a fan of V1 Moyes, and he quickly steadied things last season.

The same limitations exist though:

lacks tactics to beat teams
our purchases made this a survival season, when FBs is a glaring hole and should've been a priority, esp whilst Europe's on offer... So we exist, safely, under Moyes.

I don't think that's enough... Europe should be a must or he moves on. Or we'll lose the likes of illy etc
 
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Couldn’t disagree more tbh. It used to be kick and rush decades ago. If anything there is too much passing around from the back.

English teams now dominate Europe, have been the dominant force for a while now.

Nah not feeling that mate, the games are terrible to watch in the main....defending is terrible...technique is terrible from most the teams....any midfielder that shows any skill and puts foot on the ball...we rave about them.

Yes although many sit back....they counter with hoof and run.

English teams have not dominated as much as you think, its worse this season than it has for years - The new format makes it worse.
 
Great, go and see if he's still on the train and let him know.

Tell him that next time for me, cheers. I’ve seen far better Bournemouth performances against us in the past, to be honest. And it’s not snobbery to point out that a newly promoted side sitting 6th (sunderland are massive btw), with Brentford hovering around the European spots, might indicate the overall quality of the league isn’t particularly high this season. That’s an observation about standards - not snobbery.
 
How do you explain all 9 English teams still being in Europe then?

5 of the top 8 in the champions league
Favourites for europa and conference

Teams in the bottom 3 containing £40m players
Because the global shift in football playing style has been towards the functional and the athletic, meaning all leagues have dipped. By definition, the league that has been the closest to that in style would do better. As they have bigger finances due to insane commercial deals, the PL sides can also spend more in acquiring these functional athletes.

It is the natural culmination of team focused systems and data analysis in football (and I'm not against data in football, I think it's useful and we should use it more). It means that teams want to develop systems players as opposed to mavericks etc. Even Brazilian academies changed their focus years ago, because they knew they would make more money producing functional athletes for European leagues than another Ronaldinho.

Even Guardiola's Barca team was obsessed with the system, it just had unbelievable players in it too and all styles now lead to the functional aspect of football. If you also factor in the money in the PL, the owners have even more of an incentive to remain, so again emphasise competitive athleticism over all else. Again, nothing wrong with that, but it means that we have reached a cyclical event where play styles have trended back towards the styles of the 80s and 90s, just with modern formations and a much higher level of athleticism.

Maybe it will change again in a few years. But the standard is objectively terrible in all the major leagues now.
 
Nah not feeling that mate, the games are terrible to watch in the main....defending is terrible...technique is terrible from most the teams....any midfielder that shows any skill and puts foot on the ball...we rave about them.

Yes although many sit back....they counter with hoof and run.

English teams have not dominated as much as you think, its worse this season than it has for years - The new format makes it worse.

We’ll agree to disagree. I’ve had the strength of the Prem debate on here to death, people just tell me it’s rubbish (can’t ever tell me compared to where or when like)
 
It's explained by the fact that the overall standard of European football right now has fallen off a cliff. Real Madrid and Barcelona aren't remotely at previous levels when Guardiola, Mourinho, Luis Enrique, Zidane, and Ancelotti were at the helm. Bayern, with few top-class German internationals (because German football is in the toilet), are flat-track bullies who will be found out in the last 8. There's no Klopp figure doing bits at another German club. Italian football fell off a cliff 15 years ago and hasn't recovered. We're a long way from the days of Lippi's Juventus, Capello's Milan, or Paolo Maldini now. PSG are an artificial construct. French football is in the gutter.

That said, many of the English sides will hit a wall when they play some of the above in the knockouts. The stresses and strains of the financially doped Premier League always exact a toll.
Absolutely nailed it there Drico 👍
 
Too many players off it last night. All said and done we were still better than Bournemouth.
We shot ourselves in the foot and is a game we should have won at a canter yet again.But loath to criticise the manager but we need to stop putting square pegs in round holes.
These players though are not as good as we think they are and thats all of them.
 
James definitely flattered to deceive. Overall I don't think he improved us greatly over a long period.

My point being, big name glamorous players do are not a magic bullet.
Look at us since Jack's been out though.

A big question on him was slowing the game down, what has happened since.

Look at times yesterday, a great break and KDH got stuck on the 18yard box without a single player to look for, ended up having to turn around just to find someone and play it backwards..
 
In theory there wasn't too much wrong with the actual 11...though opinions may vary on a couple
But we still didn't seem to jell...so maybe the 11 needs tweaking
We missed chances
Got given a soft penalty
Gave away more soft goals
Yet another daft red card
Garner (nominally) went to RB, but was sometimes LM, then CM

Buggered if I know who (plural) to blame...and in what proportion...for this most recent setback

Everton - debacling like it was 12 or 15yrs ago
 

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