Stop it. You need to be grateful that we have Moyes as our manager.
No other manager in the world would be higher in the league or something.
Stop it. You need to be grateful that we have Moyes as our manager.
No other manager in the world would be higher in the league or something.
Last night is part of a broader pattern though by which we seem incapable of scoring conventional, well worked goals. Even when we win it is set pieces, or scruffy goals, or blammos from garner etc.
It’s why it is such a season of swings because those always even themselves out. If we were able to score consistently we would likely be comfortably in the CL spots, but we can’t and the manager generally has to take some responsibility for season long trends.
Yes, if we take all home games he is very largely to blame, but at least you admit that your original 'All on Moyes' style posts were wrong and it was not all him, in the microcosm of last night. The away form is down to the players and the manager, the home form is down to the players and the manager. We can go through each and every game, and analyse the relative reasons why we won, drew or lost. At home, it would largely be down to the manager, away it would be largely down to the manager. However, game by game there will be anomalies to this fact, and last night was one of them, where the responsibility lays largely with the players.
There was a change in team, he replaced Keane with Branthwaite, which everybody was clamouring for. He started one of the young players, which a fair few people claim he never does. We were a little bit more on the front foot, but I thought it was 2 evenly matched teams and that meant we did not fully dominate in the first half, like we would hope to.
I am pro_Moyes, but I am more pro-Everton. If Moyes gets the boot tomorrow it won't affect me, I would just hope that somebody good comes in.
balggy
Player Valuation: £6m
Dibling, Röhl and Alcaraz, all sat on the bench, not one of them getting minutes. Cost a combined total of £90 million. And he’s bringing Michael Keane on ahead of them.
This club cannot afford to cast aside £90 million worth of players. We just can’t afford it.
Moyes did have input into transfers in the summer. Not one was signed without his sign-off.
He hasn’t developed one of them, so there value is going south. Forget giving him more money to spend this summer, how he’s treated them 3 is a sackable offence in itself.
The club has a remit for what it wants to do, and Moyes sadly isn’t on board with it. We are at a cross roads.
This club cannot afford to cast aside £90 million worth of players. We just can’t afford it.
Moyes did have input into transfers in the summer. Not one was signed without his sign-off.
He hasn’t developed one of them, so there value is going south. Forget giving him more money to spend this summer, how he’s treated them 3 is a sackable offence in itself.
The club has a remit for what it wants to do, and Moyes sadly isn’t on board with it. We are at a cross roads.
As frustrating as it turned out, sadly our strikers are just no where near good enough, I swear to god Niasse and Kone were better than these two. I do appreciate Barry is learning the English game but decent Sunday league strikers would have had 2 goals tonight . When clips pop up on your social media of some of the strikers weve had in the premier league like Yak, Saha, Lukaku, AJ, Super Kev etc you realise how bad these pair are
BlueAmigo
Player Valuation: £6m
My biggest annoyance with Moyes is the way he destroys confidence and morale with this kind of behaviour. It's appalling management. A European place is there for the taking but this stubborn, safety first manager won't be getting it, despite us having the players who can take us there.
We have the likes of Aznou, and McNeil who not so long ago was our most important player sat in the stands too. That's another 30m or so.
I know you jest but history suggests no other manager can get Everton higher in the league after Moyes.
James definitely flattered to deceive. Overall I don't think he improved us greatly over a long period.
My point being, big name glamorous players do are not a magic bullet.
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
I like Moyes but there is definitely a sequence of frustrating decisions:
Patterson - did absolutely fine, dropped for O’Brien having an awful season at RB
Aznou - sparkling debut but not another kick
KDH - Looked at his best in a deeper role but shoved back to number 10
Alcaraz- We’ve seen his limitations but surely has deserved more game time.
Rohl - good game in a great win at Villa but not seen since.
And then there is the reluctance to drop Gana, playing Harrison on the wing..
Frustrating.
Patterson - did absolutely fine, dropped for O’Brien having an awful season at RB
Aznou - sparkling debut but not another kick
KDH - Looked at his best in a deeper role but shoved back to number 10
Alcaraz- We’ve seen his limitations but surely has deserved more game time.
Rohl - good game in a great win at Villa but not seen since.
And then there is the reluctance to drop Gana, playing Harrison on the wing..
Frustrating.
bluenorthwarrior
Player Valuation: £8m
This in a nutshell.
I don't think it is even a Moyes thing, we don't seem to have had a consistent method of transitioning and cohering the striker with the 'attacking' midfielders since Martinez (maybe a spell at start of the season under Carlo) so the striker is feeding off scraps and permanently outnumbered by opposition defenders. 4 2 3 1 seems not to work but is the dominant style played now, is our problem we have never really had the '10' to do this (irony given we tried signing 4 or 5 of them one summer).
You mentioned a poll not me.
Anyway for me it’s not about where we finish, could be 8th Could be 13th. And the home form is not because we have an unbalanced squad or because we Haven’t spent as much as teams around us. Bournemouth have lost 5 of their best players in 18 months. Yes they’ve replaced them, but not for the same value. Brentford have lost their 3 best forwards in the same time.
All some do on here is make excuses, Moyes is a mid 60’s set in his ways manager. He will make you competitive in most games and tough to beat, but this notion that get him 2 better full backs and a striker and all of a sudden he will let the handbrake off and be flying at teams at home is laughable. He’s doing a good job, but his stubbornness in the transfer market and his style of management and in game decisions, will forever hold him and us back.
It's an absolute disgrace how Moyes has handled certain players and shown preference for some. Moyes enticed Grealish here, with the promise that he would play more games which would help his attempt to get into England's world cup squad. The same criteria should apply to Patterson and Alcaraz. If Moyes is not going to play Patterson then he should have loaned him out, so as to help him get more playing time to try and get into Scotland's World Cup squad.
The same goes for Alcaraz who got called up to the Argentinian squad in 2023. But has not since. Playing him, which for me is a no brainer as he's an enthusiastic attacking minded player - maybe something Moyes doesn't quite agree with despite signing him permanently, who gets us on the front foot something we desperately need at home. Both players should be annoyed with Moyes.
The way he's handled Dibling is appalling. Moyes gets George in on loan and immediately plays him ahead of his £35 million plus signing. The best way to get the best out of players is to play them and considering the owners allowed Moyes to fork out £35 million then he should play.
Our progress up the league this season and to get into Europe, is being hindered by Moyes as he doesn't know how to really play attacking football. He doesn't really trust young players, who turn and want to take players on or play a forward pass, players that may take a chance. He'll give them bit parts, little cameos. Moyes will play Ndiaye, a player that is looking to get the ball and attack, take a chance, in the hope that he'll produce something, which he normally does, but Moyes doesn't set the team up to get even more out of him. Ndiaye is better on the left, than the right, where he drifts inside more and creates opportunities. He's wasted on the right compared to on the left. But because Moyes signed Grealish with the playing issue so Ndiaye was moved. We suffered our biggest home defeats, Spurs 3 nil, Newcastle 4-1, with Grealish on the left and Ndiaye on the right. Ndiaye never played against Brentford and we got beat 4-2. With Grealish's injure Ndiaye should be moved back over and put Dibling on the right to give him game time. The time is now for Moyes to experiment at home, otherwise our season will, or has, fizzled out. I don't have much hope on that score though.
The same goes for Alcaraz who got called up to the Argentinian squad in 2023. But has not since. Playing him, which for me is a no brainer as he's an enthusiastic attacking minded player - maybe something Moyes doesn't quite agree with despite signing him permanently, who gets us on the front foot something we desperately need at home. Both players should be annoyed with Moyes.
The way he's handled Dibling is appalling. Moyes gets George in on loan and immediately plays him ahead of his £35 million plus signing. The best way to get the best out of players is to play them and considering the owners allowed Moyes to fork out £35 million then he should play.
Our progress up the league this season and to get into Europe, is being hindered by Moyes as he doesn't know how to really play attacking football. He doesn't really trust young players, who turn and want to take players on or play a forward pass, players that may take a chance. He'll give them bit parts, little cameos. Moyes will play Ndiaye, a player that is looking to get the ball and attack, take a chance, in the hope that he'll produce something, which he normally does, but Moyes doesn't set the team up to get even more out of him. Ndiaye is better on the left, than the right, where he drifts inside more and creates opportunities. He's wasted on the right compared to on the left. But because Moyes signed Grealish with the playing issue so Ndiaye was moved. We suffered our biggest home defeats, Spurs 3 nil, Newcastle 4-1, with Grealish on the left and Ndiaye on the right. Ndiaye never played against Brentford and we got beat 4-2. With Grealish's injure Ndiaye should be moved back over and put Dibling on the right to give him game time. The time is now for Moyes to experiment at home, otherwise our season will, or has, fizzled out. I don't have much hope on that score though.
Roger Milla
Player Valuation: £20m
Some fella was actually giving me this spiel in the pub after the game. It's so lazy. Heard the same patter during the reigns of Dyche and FSW as well
