2025/26 David Moyes

[brittcop1]

How many of those managers took over a club in 17th? Twice.

Nobody is arguing that he can do well at a club in distress. So can Dyche and Allerdyce...the whole purpose of this conversation is to argue whether Moyes is the man to move up us the table challenging for European competion and cups, not whether he can do better than 17th

 

[wandyr79]

Nobody is arguing that he can do well at a club in distress. So can Dyche and Allerdyce...the whole purpose of this conversation is to argue whether Moyes is the man to move up us the table challenging for European competion and cups, not whether he can do better than 17th

If that is the argument then I would say he is the man to move us up the table challenging for European competitions, but not necessarily the cups. He has already got us realistically challenging for Europe, in his first full season. So, it is a bit strange to use that as a debatable 'argument' as he is already doing it.

We had some good cup runs under Moyes part 1, but really nowhere near enough to say he could do that with us now. Although, there is the West Ham argument, so if we do get in the Conference league, at least, next season, then maybe?

He is most likely not in it for the long haul this time around though, so if we can compete for European positions over this and next season. We technically are this season, hopefully we will still be in the mix or healthily in position come the final few games.

Leave the team/squad in a healthy position for a bit of positive succession, for a change.

 

[Leylo]

Everton and West Ham only....so HE DIDNT manage the other teams or you dont want to consider those results because they were tough tasks that he didnt match up? Are you SURE this is how you want to frame your argument????

Who's arguing chill ye beans kid

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Hope we get a spot in Europe we haven't had a sniff for years praying for my son to get a taste of going on a European away game he's praying he goes every away game.. Moyes like him or not has us in touching distance which we haven't for flipping years

Spot on mate. All this “we’re not ready” is crap. If we get Europe then in the Summer we make sure we’re ready.

 

[Moomin]

Here we go:

Top 27 Premier League Managers (100+ Games Managed)


1. Pep Guardiola: 71.0% (366 matches)


• Man City: 71.0%


2. Sir Alex Ferguson: 65.2% (810 matches)


• Man Utd: 65.2%


3. Antonio Conte: 62.9% (132 matches)


• Chelsea: 67.1% | Spurs: 51.7%


4. Jürgen Klopp: 62.6% (334 matches)


• Liverpool: 62.6%


5. Roberto Mancini: 61.9% (134 matches)


• Man City: 61.9%


6. José Mourinho: 59.9% (362 matches)


• Chelsea: 66.0% | Man Utd: 53.8% | Spurs: 45.1%


7. Mikel Arteta: 59.4% (234 matches)


• Arsenal: 59.4%


8. Arsène Wenger: 57.6% (828 matches)


• Arsenal: 57.6%


9. Carlo Ancelotti: 54.5% (134 matches)


• Chelsea: 61.8% | Everton: 43.1%


10. Unai Emery: 53.1% (175 matches)


• Arsenal: 49.0% | Aston Villa: 54.4%


11. Manuel Pellegrini: 52.6% (171 matches)


• Man City: 59.6% | West Ham: 36.0%


12. Mauricio Pochettino: 51.0% (294 matches)


• Spurs: 54.3% | Southampton: 38.3% | Chelsea: 42.5%


13. Kenny Dalglish: 48.3% (238 matches)


• Blackburn: 44.3% | Newcastle: 38.5% | Liverpool: 58.3%


14. Roy Evans: 48.3% (172 matches)


• Liverpool: 48.3%


15. Rafael Benítez: 48.2% (359 matches)


• Liverpool: 55.4% | Newcastle: 35.6% | Everton: 26.3%


16. Eddie Howe: 47.9% (355 matches)


• Bournemouth: 30.1% | Newcastle: 47.9%


17. Gérard Houllier: 46.5% (258 matches)


• Liverpool: 48.8% | Aston Villa: 31.6%


18. Ole Gunnar Solskjær: 46.5% (127 matches)


• Cardiff: 16.7% | Man Utd: 51.3%


19. Claudio Ranieri: 45.8% (238 matches)


• Chelsea: 52.0% | Leicester: 43.1% | Fulham: 18.8%


20. Ronald Koeman: 45.1% (122 matches)


• Southampton: 46.1% | Everton: 43.1%


21. Brendan Rodgers: 44.6% (312 matches)


• Swansea: 31.6% | Liverpool: 51.6% | Leicester: 43.2%


22. Bobby Robson: 44.1% (188 matches)


• Newcastle: 44.1%


23. Kevin Keegan: 43.4% (267 matches)


• Newcastle: 49.4% | Man City: 35.3%


24. David O'Leary: 43.2% (259 matches)


• Leeds: 46.8% | Aston Villa: 35.6%


25. John Gregory: 39.5% (162 matches)


• Aston Villa: 41.5% | Derby: 24.0%


26. Martin O'Neill: 38.9% (359 matches)


• Leicester: 34.0% | Aston Villa: 42.1% | Sunderland: 31.8%


27. David Moyes: 38.7% (739 matches)


• Everton: 42.2% | Man Utd: 52.9% | Sunderland: 18.6% | West Ham: 41.3%

LOL Koeman is a better manager than Moyes.

Just proves we need to sack Moyes right now.

 

[thebluenosebolt]

3 seasons with relegation a real possibility. He comes in, sanctions dewsbury Hall, Grielish and gets Garner & Branthwaite to sign new contracts, we're practically safe in Feb.... A far cry from where we were.... In fact I remember the end of last season, All we were saying as fans was let's hope this season is a quiet one, no drama, no worries of going down, that in itself was progress. Now all of a sudden we're expecting Europe ??, I would say Moyes has massively changed the outlook of our club in 18 months. I want him here until he decides it's time to go. Viva the grey one !!

 

[ftk43]

3 seasons with relegation a real possibility. He comes in, sanctions dewsbury Hall, Grielish and gets Garner & Branthwaite to sign new contracts, we're practically safe in Feb.... A far cry from where we were.... In fact I remember the end of last season, All we were saying as fans was let's hope this season is a quiet one, no drama, no worries of going down, that in itself was progress. Now all of a sudden we're expecting Europe ??, I would say Moyes has massively changed the outlook of our club in 18 months. I want him here until he decides it's time to go. Viva the grey one !!

People would be fuming a lot less if it was achieved by literally anyone else other than Moyes.

The fatigue of seeing the same old familiar face on the touchline is a real thing, so the judgement is harsher for him + you add a few WUMs that are running amok on the forum and you get the picture that this season is somehow a failure.

 

[thebluenosebolt]

People would be fuming a lot less if it was achieved by literally anyone else other than Moyes.

The fatigue of seeing the same old familiar face on the touchline is a real thing, so the judgement is harsher for him + you add a few WUMs that are running amok on the forum and you get the picture that this season is somehow a failure.

Can agree with that sentiment. I on the other hand was sick of the constant manager merry go round. I for one am still overjoyed that he's back For now. We are in a building the rep phase, I've already noticed that we are no longer the whipping boys of the league...He has actually changed the story (Dychism) not just talked about it endlessly.

 

[MikeH72]

LOL Koeman is a better manager than Moyes.

Just proves we need to sack Moyes right now.

Is John Gregory still available? Quick get in there while we still can.

 

[Moomin]

Is John Gregory still available? Quick get in there while we still can.

He is eyeing up the Notts Forest job

 

[blueboy72]

How many of those managers took over a club in 17th? Twice.

Didn’t we finish 13th in Dyche’s last season without the points deduction

 

[Exeter_Gently]

There certainly have been boos. The boos aren't for Moyes so it's not really relevant to the thread, but it's a brave call to tell people who are actually at the game that they're not experiencing what they think they are because it's not how it came across on TV.

 

[bicycleheader]

3 seasons with relegation a real possibility. He comes in, sanctions dewsbury Hall, Grielish and gets Garner & Branthwaite to sign new contracts, we're practically safe in Feb.... A far cry from where we were.... In fact I remember the end of last season, All we were saying as fans was let's hope this season is a quiet one, no drama, no worries of going down, that in itself was progress. Now all of a sudden we're expecting Europe ??, I would say Moyes has massively changed the outlook of our club in 18 months. I want him here until he decides it's time to go. Viva the grey one !!

People would be fuming a lot less if it was achieved by literally anyone else other than Moyes.

The fatigue of seeing the same old familiar face on the touchline is a real thing, so the judgement is harsher for him + you add a few WUMs that are running amok on the forum and you get the picture that this season is somehow a failure.

Can agree with that sentiment. I on the other hand was sick of the constant manager merry go round. I for one am still overjoyed that he's back For now. We are in a building the rep phase, I've already noticed that we are no longer the whipping boys of the league...He has actually changed the story (Dychism) not just talked about it endlessly.

At best there's a couple of posters that you could maybe say are expecting Europe. I don't think I've seen any actually say that. I don't think it's fair to dismiss anybody who might actually think the season is a failure when he blew the cups at the first attempt. He set himself up for that. I don't personally think it's a failure, it's just grand. Great to be away from relegation but nothing unexpected from him.

This narrative that we have come out of disaster and people want the world is getting repeated and it's not true if you read what people are actually saying.

Some fans are so delighted to have him back that they can't even really listen to anybody who isn't overjoyed. So you get these straw man arguments

Again we have watched this manager for over ten years. I personally think a new era for our club shouldn't be kicking off with handing significant control to a manager that didn't win anything in multiple years and plays % football. I don't think it's a great look for the club, but I understand why he was chosen last season and he did a great job. His football and his character was well suited to that task. The task to come is not one I'd like to see him undertake though, given years of watching him do his thing.

If we wanted calm stability and peace in the fanbase you don't stick with Moyes. Or at least he shouldn't be high up the list. He is not Dyche level divisive but he is divisive due to fairly drawn conclusions about what he can and can't do based on 100s of games with him. He will not get much patience from a lot of fans and I think that's fair enough. Not many managers get multiple seasons at such a club without winning anything. He's hardly going to be wildly adored is he?

And I agree a new manager wouldn't be getting as much stick for this season, because there wouldn't be the same sense of deja vu and repetition of what we have already seen in the past and the same sense of knowing exactly what we are going to get going forward.

 

[Lanolin]

3 seasons with relegation a real possibility. He comes in, sanctions dewsbury Hall, Grielish and gets Garner & Branthwaite to sign new contracts, we're practically safe in Feb.... A far cry from where we were.... In fact I remember the end of last season, All we were saying as fans was let's hope this season is a quiet one, no drama, no worries of going down, that in itself was progress. Now all of a sudden we're expecting Europe ??, I would say Moyes has massively changed the outlook of our club in 18 months. I want him here until he decides it's time to go. Viva the grey one !!

We’ve finished 12th and 13th in terms of points won in the last 2 years and as it stands we’re 1 and 3 points above those positions. I feel bad because I genuinely love Moyes and I’m not trying to say he’s doing a bad job but there’s this weird thing where people keep making out like he’s performed a miracle and nobody could ever have imagined that we’d have moved from the top of the bottom half to the bottom of the top half when we swapped Harrison and doucoure for Grealish and KDH, it’s just not true.

The noises out of the club are that they’re looking at Europe, for me personally I think that would be a brilliant effort but being where we are is pretty much the least I expected. The circumstances are totally different from the last couple of years, that’s not the standard we should be judging ourselves by.

I think Moyes did a brilliant job last year and has done a good one this year. I am open to the idea of him moving on not because I don’t think he’s a good manager or doing a good job but because I’m not sure he’s a great fit for what the club should be looking to do right now. I wish we’d had him instead of Benitez, lampard, and dyche, and possibly ancelotti too, but I’m just a bit fatigued of percentage and negative football and would quite like a proper fresh start where we start going in a different direction and bring back some excitement and hope. I’m not sure we can do that with Moyes.

 

[MikeH72]

Didn’t we finish 13th in Dyche’s last season without the points deduction

No mate, he left us half way through a season 1 point off the relegation zone.