2025/26 David Moyes

[Neiler]

@Neiler the fans are booing now mate. We’ve won 7 in 25 at home under Moyes. I think you’re the one who’s wrong

The “fans” are booing because they want the manager removed - is that what you’re trying to say mate?

Has anyone else on here noticed - notable booing?

Laughing here - sometimes you just hang yourself:

“Fans like me are booing and letting on everything is toxic, yet I’ve no idea why our home form is poor”

The defense rests.

 

[Lanolin]

The thing with the 'what if it doesn't work' argument is that it will never, ever, go away. You'll be able to make the same argument for the next however many years, as if the possibility of us dropping from 9th to 12th is too risky to contemplate. Getting through the Dyche years to the new stadium and new owners was supposed to be the steadying the ship period, how many consecutive years of being 20+ points clear of relegation do we need to have before we stop acting as if we're still hanging on by a thread and need 'stability'?

I've said before, it's not so much that I think we should definitely move Moyes on at the end of they year or that he's doing a bad job or anything like that, I just really want the club to be looking to move forward not just thinking 'at least we don't take it down to the last day anymore'. If we have a very good run in and end up in the European places I'd say he's definitely done enough to deserve the chance to try and push on. If we have a bad run in and finish lower than the 13th place that's the lowest we've been in the last 2 years then I'd say it's very fair to say thanks but no thanks. In between is a grey area, where I think there's a decision to be made on whether the opportunity is there to try something a bit different and maybe bring genuine excitement and ambition back for the fans.

 

[blueboy72]

The “fans” are booing because they want the manager removed - is that what you’re trying to say mate?

Has anyone else on here noticed - notable booing?

Laughing here - sometimes you just hang yourself:

“Fans like me are booing and letting on everything is toxic, yet I’ve no idea why our home form is poor”

The defense rests.

So are you at the ground? or watching live on TV? Or highlights on MOTD? . There’s been plenty of booing at half time in home games. The last game Leeds was one the one before Sunderland in the cup, booing at half time.

I’m not saying they’re booing to get the manager removed, but we go another 12 months with these performances and results at home and most will be turning on the manager

 

[Neiler]

So are you at the ground? or watching live on TV? Or highlights on MOTD? . There’s been plenty of booing at half time in home games. The last game Leeds was one the one before Sunderland in the cup, booing at half time.

I’m not saying they’re booing to get the manager removed, but we go another 12 months with these performances at home and most will be turning on the manager

I do both mate, I've a few season tickets knocking about as my family are in Liverpool so im over and back as i dont live in the Uk anymore - if i get to between a third or half these years ive done well. When i lived in the UK id be most weeks. Actually been lucky enough to be in the poshest of seats in the new ground a couple of times already this year, so maybe i missed the booing amongst the proletariat!

But away from Super Blooing - Lets be honest, if there is any half time booing its generally about a phoned in perfroemces by the team in a half and we've (or some) have been dong that for years- we both know we can tolerate a lot even if bad but we wont tolerate a lack of fight and effort. Thats not a new thing its been happening for years even when we've been doing well, its more a comment on a halfs performance then overall evidance of general toxicity you seem to want to try and create, there can be booing at halftime then singing after - like VS Palace.

Our home form is a bit of an aberration - if you look at it maybe more carefully - you will notice its been poor long before Moyes got here, there is a root cause to that - i feel. But its a narrow scope in a judgement to the overall improvement - i remember this time last year, i was over for Leicester at Goodison and it was a relegation 6 pointer - now we're just a few points of Europe.

So important to keep your eye on the entire progression of the project, then just a small part of it.

 

[bicycleheader]

I didn’t want Moyes back and I’ve never hid from that, we all knew what was going to happen, yes he’d get us around mid table, but the football would be terrible and if rather stick pins in my eyes than watch much more of it. And the game has moved on from last time he was here and he’s up against a lot more teams with money.

And you’re wrong I’ve constantly gone on in here about appointing a younger manager and giving them time, I was still sticking up for Frank when most of the fans had given up, maybe championship is his level.
I didn’t want silva sacked I think we should have give him more time.

Silva and Frank are the only young mananger, we’ve appointed. In 9yrs Big Sam, anceloti ( world class, but was never staying long) the fat Spanish waiter, dyche and now Moyes. I just want something different

I think we need to have patience with whoever they choose next even if not somebody that particularly excites me. Young or not. Hell, Even if the choice is objectively disgraceful I think at that point it should be the owners/decision makers getting all the flack instead of the manager.

But that’s fair enough. I just think your posting style suggested otherwise. We both know he is going to do what he does until he is gone. Is there really any point wasting energy going off on one because he sends us out in another game hoping to keep it tight and nick one.

 

[bicycleheader]

The thing with the 'what if it doesn't work' argument is that it will never, ever, go away. You'll be able to make the same argument for the next however many years, as if the possibility of us dropping from 9th to 12th is too risky to contemplate. Getting through the Dyche years to the new stadium and new owners was supposed to be the steadying the ship period, how many consecutive years of being 20+ points clear of relegation do we need to have before we stop acting as if we're still hanging on by a thread and need 'stability'?

I've said before, it's not so much that I think we should definitely move Moyes on at the end of they year or that he's doing a bad job or anything like that, I just really want the club to be looking to move forward not just thinking 'at least we don't take it down to the last day anymore'. If we have a very good run in and end up in the European places I'd say he's definitely done enough to deserve the chance to try and push on. If we have a bad run in and finish lower than the 13th place that's the lowest we've been in the last 2 years then I'd say it's very fair to say thanks but no thanks. In between is a grey area, where I think there's a decision to be made on whether the opportunity is there to try something a bit different and maybe bring genuine excitement and ambition back for the fans.

I think the posts accusing others of thinking everything will be great if we get rid of Moyes are just pointless, as there is nobody saying that here. It just makes the poster sound like they don’t bother reading the thread and came in for a rant against perceived opinions OR they can’t handle any thought that people might want Moyes gone and are just going off on one

 

[Swartzy]

When you look at Arteta and the football Arsenal can be tainted with over his period...

Would we as a Fanbase give a manager 5yrs to build a squad, whilst watching a style pretty highly based around set pieces..

 

[Bedfordblue]

When you look at Arteta and the football Arsenal can be tainted with over his period...

Would we as a Fanbase give a manager 5yrs to build a squad, whilst watching a style pretty highly based around set pieces..

I think most fans will be ok with any football that is effective and regularly wins games.
Only after a long, long time will serious mummers of discontent emerge about styles of playing, basically when winning becomes so expected that more is demanded.

 

[Neiler]

I think most fans will be ok with any football that is effective and regularly wins games.
Only after a long, long time will serious mummers of discontent emerge about styles of playing, basically when winning becomes so expected that more is demanded.

There is a generation, who've just gotten used to changing manager every year here now mate - its the norm for them.

 

[Efcjake]

@Neiler the fans are booing now mate. We’ve won 7 in 25 at home under Moyes. I think you’re the one who’s wrong

They are? When?

Has Sky done something with the microphones because it's not being picked up.

Have you tried personally booing louder for us overseas fans to hear it?

 

[Efcjake]

The thing with the 'what if it doesn't work' argument is that it will never, ever, go away. You'll be able to make the same argument for the next however many years, as if the possibility of us dropping from 9th to 12th is too risky to contemplate. Getting through the Dyche years to the new stadium and new owners was supposed to be the steadying the ship period, how many consecutive years of being 20+ points clear of relegation do we need to have before we stop acting as if we're still hanging on by a thread and need 'stability'?

I've said before, it's not so much that I think we should definitely move Moyes on at the end of they year or that he's doing a bad job or anything like that, I just really want the club to be looking to move forward not just thinking 'at least we don't take it down to the last day anymore'. If we have a very good run in and end up in the European places I'd say he's definitely done enough to deserve the chance to try and push on. If we have a bad run in and finish lower than the 13th place that's the lowest we've been in the last 2 years then I'd say it's very fair to say thanks but no thanks. In between is a grey area, where I think there's a decision to be made on whether the opportunity is there to try something a bit different and maybe bring genuine excitement and ambition back for the fans.

I think even most of the people who don't have an active stiffy for hating Moyes expect him to be gone at the end of his contract.

It's the rush to sack him now and jump to replacing him instead of giving him another year while he keeps everything trending positively that we don't agree with.

Nobody is really here saying give him a contract for life and never consider another manager, they're just saying that doing it now makes little sense.

 

[blueboy72]

They are? When?

Has Sky done something with the microphones because it's not being picked up.

Have you tried personally booing louder for us overseas fans to hear it?

You don’t watch Leeds or Sunderland. Or Brentford or Newcastle

 

[Efcjake]

You don’t watch Leeds or Sunderland. Or Brentford or Newcastle

I watched all of them. Didn't hear any boos except for maybe Brentford.

 

[Lanolin]

I think even most of the people who don't have an active stiffy for hating Moyes expect him to be gone at the end of his contract.

It's the rush to sack him now and jump to replacing him instead of giving him another year while he keeps everything trending positively that we don't agree with.

Nobody is really here saying give him a contract for life and never consider another manager, they're just saying that doing it now makes little sense.

But flipping that argument round (or more accurately just returning to the point I made in the post you're replying to but you haven't addressed), what's different next year? If he keeps everything trending positively next year, why is it suddenly OK to let him go, if it isn't now? Surely it's that that makes little sense? If that's the principle we're working to then why do we want to just waste a year when we know full well we're going to go in a different direction at the end of it? Why do we want Moyes - who has been confirmed by everybody involved to have the final say on transfers - to be responsible for recruitment for another year when we've already decided it won't be him who's managing the players he's buying?

Is Moyes in on this plan? Does he know we're not keeping him on, or is he going to start agitating for a new contract, with it being brought up at press conference like it did at West Ham while his teams results fell off a cliff? As I said the other day, Dyche here, Moyes at West Ham, Glasner at Palace have all become a bit of a sideshow and there's an argument that the lack of clarity about the manager has contributed to problems with results. I'm not saying that happens in every situation by any means, but when one of the examples is at this club and another is with this manager, it doesn't seem like the best idea to ignore them.

 

[Lanolin]

I watched all of them. Didn't hear any boos except for maybe Brentford.

There certainly have been boos. The boos aren't for Moyes so it's not really relevant to the thread, but it's a brave call to tell people who are actually at the game that they're not experiencing what they think they are because it's not how it came across on TV.