2025/26 David Moyes

[Efcjake]

But flipping that argument round (or more accurately just returning to the point I made in the post you're replying to but you haven't addressed), what's different next year? If he keeps everything trending positively next year, why is it suddenly OK to let him go, if it isn't now? Surely it's that that makes little sense? If that's the principle we're working to then why do we want to just waste a year when we know full well we're going to go in a different direction at the end of it? Why do we want Moyes - who has been confirmed by everybody involved to have the final say on transfers - to be responsible for recruitment for another year when we've already decided it won't be him who's managing the players he's buying?

Is Moyes in on this plan? Does he know we're not keeping him on, or is he going to start agitating for a new contract, with it being brought up at press conference like it did at West Ham while his teams results fell off a cliff? As I said the other day, Dyche here, Moyes at West Ham, Glasner at Palace have all become a bit of a sideshow and there's an argument that the lack of clarity about the manager has contributed to problems with results. I'm not saying that happens in every situation by any means, but when one of the examples is at this club and another is with this manager, it doesn't seem like the best idea to ignore them.

If he keeps going in the right direction I wouldn't be opposed to keeping him on but I know that's not an option a portion of this fanbase will entertain.

I'm saying why pay him off and sack him now when there's no real performance issues yet?

If they want to make a change and he's doing an ok job progressing us next year then they can shake his hand say thank you and move on. If he makes noises about a new contract and there isn't enough improvement to justify it then we make our decision when it either

Yes, I get it you all want to sack him on the chance we get someone better.

 

[Efcjake]

There certainly have been boos. The boos aren't for Moyes so it's not really relevant to the thread, but it's a brave call to tell people who are actually at the game that they're not experiencing what they think they are because it's not how it came across on TV.

I'm just saying they weren't heard on the broadcast pal.

 

[blueboy72]

I watched all of them. Didn't hear any boos except for maybe Brentford.

Maybe you get off 5 mins before half time to get a drink. Because Leeds and Sunderland are both Fresh in the memory. Both shocking first half performances and 1-0 down in both. And there were plenty of booing

 

[blueboy72]

I'm just saying they weren't heard on the broadcast pal.

I was at the Sunderland game , but watched Leeds at home and there was definitely booing. Go and watch it back

 

[Lanolin]

If he keeps going in the right direction I wouldn't be opposed to keeping him on but I know that's not an option a portion of this fanbase will entertain.

I'm saying why pay him off and sack him now when there's no real performance issues yet?

If they want to make a change and he's doing an ok job progressing us next year then they can shake his hand say thank you and move on. If he makes noises about a new contract and there isn't enough improvement to justify it then we make our decision when it either

Yes, I get it you all want to sack him on the chance we get someone better.

So you don't get it at all then.

 

[blueboy72]

There certainly have been boos. The boos aren't for Moyes so it's not really relevant to the thread, but it's a brave call to tell people who are actually at the game that they're not experiencing what they think they are because it's not how it came across on TV.

I think the boo’s covers lots of things including the mananger. The home form has been poor and he’s sets up quite defensively, we don’t create much we don’t really attack in numbers, most of the time it’s boot it forwards and hope our isolated striker can do something against 2 or 3 defenders. So I do think they’re also towards the manager .

 

[bicycleheader]

If he keeps going in the right direction I wouldn't be opposed to keeping him on but I know that's not an option a portion of this fanbase will entertain.

I'm saying why pay him off and sack him now when there's no real performance issues yet?

If they want to make a change and he's doing an ok job progressing us next year then they can shake his hand say thank you and move on. If he makes noises about a new contract and there isn't enough improvement to justify it then we make our decision when it either

Yes, I get it you all want to sack him on the chance we get someone better.

That last sentence is just wumming tbh, rolling up various opinions into one throwaya inaccurate remark. It's the same as me saying you just don't want to throw your Moyes comfort blanket away

He is being judged on what he has done during one of the longest periods any modern manager has spent at a club. I personally want a reasonable choice of manager where I can at least hope for something different. Vs the foregone conclusion that I believe Moyes is. I don't think a serious football club gives such a manager any real responsibility for the new direction of this club

I honestly think given his length of time here there shouldnt be any argument over this. (Impossible I know) There's only Davek and jobsforthemoyes that are here on the absolute extremes talking nonsense. It's absolutely understandable for any fan who has watched his incredibly long stint with us to have their strong opinion whether that be solidly behind him and trusting him or being sick of the sight of him and his football. I think both sides should be able to agree to disagree tbh

Might be a first for GOT though!

 

[Drico]

Very good post and hard to argue with any of that.

After the trauma of the last few years, joyless midtable stability feels like progress.

We're safe now. He could use the last 14 games to really have a go in every game, pick and stick with the most progressive side we can put out - Branthwaite and O'Brien, Garner and KDH.

Two other possible reasons to keep him for another season (not saying we should) - if there's no outstanding candidates to take over in summer and/or give him more time to work with Barry, Dibling, Rohl etc and establish them in PL.

I'd suggest that there will be plenty of candidates available in the summer as the World Cup shake out commences. This will cause some managerial movement and open up potential opportunities. Your second reason for keeping him is probably one of my reasons for getting rid of him...

 

[Gilbert..]

Gary O'neil is maybe one to keep an eye on after taking over at strasbourg. Did a good job at bournemouth. Not sure what to make of any manager at Wolves in the past few years. Started well at Strasbourg
I like how his teams play. Very attacking style.
Interesting manager imo.

 

[RD2910]

Gary O'neil is maybe one to keep an eye on after taking over at strasbourg. Did a good job at bournemouth. Not sure what to make of any manager at Wolves in the past few years. Started well at Strasbourg
I like how his teams play. Very attacking style.
Interesting manager imo.

It would be interesting to see what the response to that would be, to say the least.

 

[Gilbert..]

It would be interesting to see what the response to that would be, to say the least.

That will be mainly coz of the name. There's a real snobbery among some Everton fans. Chist knows why. We have won a trophy in 30 years.
He's a good young coach imo. Just a keep an eye on marker.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Gary O'neil is maybe one to keep an eye on after taking over at strasbourg. Did a good job at bournemouth. Not sure what to make of any manager at Wolves in the past few years. Started well at Strasbourg
I like how his teams play. Very attacking style.
Interesting manager imo.

O'Neil did fine at Bournemouth but they also decided that (correctly as things have turned out) that Iraola was a clear upgrade and so replaced him. If Everton are going to reach another level we need to be going after the Iraola in that equation, not the Gary O'Neil.

 

[Efcjake]

That last sentence is just wumming tbh, rolling up various opinions into one throwaya inaccurate remark. It's the same as me saying you just don't want to throw your Moyes comfort blanket away

It's not though. It's what you're all advocating for. Sacking our current manager and rolling the dice on an unknown on the hopes he does better than Moyes because you all believe Moyes has a ceiling he won't get past.

There's absolutely no guarantee the next manager will do any better.

Moyes isn't just a "comfort blanket" though is he? Yes actually improved us in the 12 months he's been here and loads of you still want to sack him and gamble because of your hang ups from his first period here.

There's fair criticism to be levelled over the cup exits but from a results perspective he's been doing alright and we are in good shape to kick on and keep progressing.

 

[matty1878]

Get back under your no ambition kenwtight happy to survive rock. You tit. We bottled it first leg full stop, like Moyes bottled 90% of big games

wow i’m a tit as i support moyes

we levelled the tie and went
out on PEN

SNIFF IT

 

[Gilbert..]

O'Neil did fine at Bournemouth but they also decided that (correctly as things have turned out) that Iraola was a clear upgrade and so replaced him. If Everton are going to reach another level we need to be going after the Iraola in that equation, not the Gary O'Neil.

I like iraola. I dont think the sun shines out of his arse like many others do however. They've let in as many this season roughly as the bottom 3. Even taking into account the sales of his defenders you've got to shut up shop more than that. He went on a worse run this season than when O'neil got sacked at Bournemouth.
O'neil is just possible potential. A year down the line at strasbourg might reveal more.