2025/26 David Moyes

[hetion]

I just cannot understand thinking Moyes is the man to lead us to the next level. He's the easiest manager to assess in the league - his floor and ceiling are both rock solid average (in the prem, I should say, which obviously in the grand scheme of things makes him an incredible manager).

Outside of exceptional circumstances (e.g. Sunderland), he won't really fail.

Outside of exceptional circumstances (e.g. West Ham conference league against crap teams), he won't really succeed either.

That's what you're getting, every time and forever.

Unless TFG want another year of stability for whatever operational reason we'd never be privy to, or literally every single other manager on our wishlist gets snapped up elsewhere, or we go on a miraculous run and finish high in the table, there is no reason to keep him for next season. He's done his job.

 

[the golden visionary]

Villa fans unlike us don't have to suffer and endure the misfortune of sharing a city with those rs tramps though.

In Birmingham, villa play that role

 

[pedro789]

I just cannot understand thinking Moyes is the man to lead us to the next level. He's the easiest manager to assess in the league - his floor and ceiling are both rock solid average (in the prem, I should say, which obviously in the grand scheme of things makes him an incredible manager).

Outside of exceptional circumstances (e.g. Sunderland), he won't really fail.

Outside of exceptional circumstances (e.g. West Ham conference league against crap teams), he won't really succeed either.

That's what you're getting, every time and forever.

Unless TFG want another year of stability for whatever operational reason we'd never be privy to, or literally every single other manager on our wishlist gets snapped up elsewhere, or we go on a miraculous run and finish high in the table, there is no reason to keep him for next season. He's done his job.

Very good post and hard to argue with any of that.

After the trauma of the last few years, joyless midtable stability feels like progress.

We're safe now. He could use the last 14 games to really have a go in every game, pick and stick with the most progressive side we can put out - Branthwaite and O'Brien, Garner and KDH.

Two other possible reasons to keep him for another season (not saying we should) - if there's no outstanding candidates to take over in summer and/or give him more time to work with Barry, Dibling, Rohl etc and establish them in PL.

 

[hetion]

Very good post and hard to argue with any of that.

After the trauma of the last few years, joyless midtable stability feels like progress.

We're safe now. He could use the last 14 games to really have a go in every game, pick and stick with the most progressive side we can put out - Branthwaite and O'Brien, Garner and KDH.

Two other possible reasons to keep him for another season (not saying we should) - if there's no outstanding candidates to take over in summer and/or give him more time to work with Barry, Dibling, Rohl etc and establish them in PL.

Agree with all of this too - if you'd come to me in December 2024 and offered where we'd be in December 2025, I genuinely don't think there's an Evertonian alive who wouldn't have taken it. Apart from maybe Davek. He is and has been the perfect stabiliser.

And I also agree on the candidates thing, maybe there's just no one available. I'd want a planned succession, not a sack-and-see.

I will say though the managerial market will be crazy this summer so it could be an incredible opportunity to pick someone great up amongst all the chaos.

This (obviously) isn't a list of potential targets but to give an idea of the amount of high level managers that could well be on the move this summer, and all the dominoes that will fall from that:

Iraola
Glasner
Maresca
Guardiola (!)
Alonso
Hoeness
Tuchel
Nagelsmann
De Zerbi
Pochettino
Frank

It's going to be chaos!

 

[wandyr79]

Did you enjoy the " We got to a final " parade we had?

Such a boring and unimaginative joke, it is like the 7th placed trophy joke that has been going for 20 years.

Do people actually still find these funny?

Anyway, my minor gripes aside. I think it is good, now and again, to point out positive aspects of things that happened. Doesn't mean that it is the best outcome or the greatest thing to happen, just something nice. Is it wrong for me to say one of my best days supporting Everton was in Nuremburg, that was just a group game, but I will always be thankful to Moyes for giving me that day, at the very least.

 

[RomanReigns]

I just cannot understand thinking Moyes is the man to lead us to the next level. He's the easiest manager to assess in the league - his floor and ceiling are both rock solid average (in the prem, I should say, which obviously in the grand scheme of things makes him an incredible manager).

Outside of exceptional circumstances (e.g. Sunderland), he won't really fail.

Outside of exceptional circumstances (e.g. West Ham conference league against crap teams), he won't really succeed either.

That's what you're getting, every time and forever.

Unless TFG want another year of stability for whatever operational reason we'd never be privy to, or literally every single other manager on our wishlist gets snapped up elsewhere, or we go on a miraculous run and finish high in the table, there is no reason to keep him for next season. He's done his job.

who is the man to lead us to the next level?

we could appoint a pep guardiola or a mourinho and they may get us relegated, there's no guarantee they will do a decent job here

we could appoint some unheard of guy who manages in league 1 and he may be the best manager of all time and lead us to the quadruple

we have seen man utd try for many years to find their man to take them back to the levels of sir alex ferguson and they keep failing despite the fact they have an infinite money glitch

we've had managers who have won champions leagues as a player who have been poor for us

we've had managers who have won champions leagues as managers who have been poor for us

if you look at Ancelotti, in his first full season as our manager we finished 10th, we are currently 10th under moyes - no difference

if you look at the results under Ancelotti, widely regarded as one of the best managers of all time, he was starting to fail for us. From 1st January 2021 until 23rd May 2021 he won 2 games at home in the league out of 12, we even lost to an already relegated sheffield united at home and failed to score. Man City had already won the league and still pumped us 5-0 in the last game of the season. This was an Everton team which still had players like Richarlison, DCL, Pickford, Sigurdsson, Digne, Mina, Allan, Iwobi, Coleman, Rodriguez and Bernard so it was not shy of quality.

 

[Eggs]

I just cannot understand thinking Moyes is the man to lead us to the next level. He's the easiest manager to assess in the league - his floor and ceiling are both rock solid average (in the prem, I should say, which obviously in the grand scheme of things makes him an incredible manager).

Outside of exceptional circumstances (e.g. Sunderland), he won't really fail.

Outside of exceptional circumstances (e.g. West Ham conference league against crap teams), he won't really succeed either.

That's what you're getting, every time and forever.

Unless TFG want another year of stability for whatever operational reason we'd never be privy to, or literally every single other manager on our wishlist gets snapped up elsewhere, or we go on a miraculous run and finish high in the table, there is no reason to keep him for next season. He's done his job.

….as a Moyes supporter, I think that’s very fair. Not forgetting where we were when he was brought in, I’ve always thought his current contract is ideal to get us that stability and lay firm foundations for his successor. Of course, finding the right successor is the real difficulty, I think we can only guess on who could take us to the next level.

Next summer will be interesting in respect of transfers but I’d be sure Moyes will at least see out his current deal unless we find ourselves in a relegation battle.

 

[hetion]

who is the man to lead us to the next level?

we could appoint a pep guardiola or a mourinho and they may get us relegated, there's no guarantee they will do a decent job here

we could appoint some unheard of guy who manages in league 1 and he may be the best manager of all time and lead us to the quadruple

we have seen man utd try for many years to find their man to take them back to the levels of sir alex ferguson and they keep failing despite the fact they have an infinite money glitch

we've had managers who have won champions leagues as a player who have been poor for us

we've had managers who have won champions leagues as managers who have been poor for us

if you look at Ancelotti, in his first full season as our manager we finished 10th, we are currently 10th under moyes - no difference

if you look at the results under Ancelotti, widely regarded as one of the best managers of all time, he was starting to fail for us. From 1st January 2021 until 23rd May 2021 he won 2 games at home in the league out of 12, we even lost to an already relegated sheffield united at home and failed to score. Man City had already won the league and still pumped us 5-0 in the last game of the season. This was an Everton team which still had players like Richarlison, DCL, Pickford, Sigurdsson, Digne, Mina, Allan, Iwobi, Coleman, Rodriguez and Bernard so it was not shy of quality.

I understand the hesitancy but I'm not sure I understand the argument other than 'changing manager is a risk', which it absolutely is, but is also a risk that has been successfully taken by basically every club to have ever broken into the next level of football.

Being concerned we'll get it wrong is very valid but I'm not sure it's a reason to not try and be better. We've got to try at some point, otherwise it's just kicking the can down the road.

Like I said though I will accept there are potential circumstances that would make changing manager at the end of the season a bad idea, but I hope that's not the case!

 

[wandyr79]

I understand the hesitancy but I'm not sure I understand the argument other than 'changing manager is a risk', which it absolutely is, but is also a risk that has been successfully taken by basically every club to have ever broken into the next level of football.

Being concerned we'll get it wrong is very valid but I'm not sure it's a reason to not try and be better. We've got to try at some point, otherwise it's just kicking the can down the road.

Like I said though I will accept there are potential circumstances that would make changing manager at the end of the season a bad idea, but I hope that's not the case!

It is the timing of the change, if at the end of the season we are in a European place then I don't see much reason to rock the boat. If we are top half but outside of Europe, then there is an argument to take that risk in the summer. If we are any lower then the arguments for the risk taking get stronger.

I have the feeling that one more season of Moyes will put us in the best position to take the risk, as I feel we will finish, at the very least, top half.

 

[twoblue]

I just cannot understand thinking Moyes is the man to lead us to the next level. He's the easiest manager to assess in the league - his floor and ceiling are both rock solid average (in the prem, I should say, which obviously in the grand scheme of things makes him an incredible manager).

Outside of exceptional circumstances (e.g. Sunderland), he won't really fail.

Outside of exceptional circumstances (e.g. West Ham conference league against crap teams), he won't really succeed either.

That's what you're getting, every time and forever.

Unless TFG want another year of stability for whatever operational reason we'd never be privy to, or literally every single other manager on our wishlist gets snapped up elsewhere, or we go on a miraculous run and finish high in the table, there is no reason to keep him for next season. He's done his job.

He has already took us the the “next” level. If you mean getting us to European / conference football I think Moyes I probably the best bet. If you thinking about a manager to take us to the top four, then I agree… but it’s unlikely any manager will do that with our budget and the level competition in premier league.

 

[Milkman]

I understand the hesitancy but I'm not sure I understand the argument other than 'changing manager is a risk', which it absolutely is, but is also a risk that has been successfully taken by basically every club to have ever broken into the next level of football.

Being concerned we'll get it wrong is very valid but I'm not sure it's a reason to not try and be better. We've got to try at some point, otherwise it's just kicking the can down the road.

Like I said though I will accept there are potential circumstances that would make changing manager at the end of the season a bad idea, but I hope that's not the case!

Which teams are you referring too here that have sacked a manager who has stabilised them to mid table in favour of riskier appointment, and then gone on to win a trophy or finish in the top 6?

Off the top of my head, the only successful teams (besides the Super League rats) are Villa (Emery replacing Slippy G), Newcastle (Howe replaced Bruce) and Palace (Glasner for Hodgson). The only one of those three whose situation is akin to ours is Palace, but even then, the end of Hodgson's stint was going downhill quickly.

In short, it's nice to think that a new manager will make us great. In reality, they probably won't. It's funny, because there is an actual living case study for this in West Ham. They'll likely go down this season as a result of the cause and effect of letting a solid manager go in favour of someone they thought would take them to the next level.

 

[matty1878]

They didn't go down because they won trophies though, just as we aren't still in the Premier League because we haven't. That actually goes against your argument because a lot of those teams were able to go out and win something despite being less established clubs.

I wonder if Villa fans moan as much as us about not winning trophies, their 'drought' is only one year shorter than ours.

so swap a trophy for PL

 

[matty1878]

Who cares if we battered them, they battered us in the first leg, because Moyes the coward bottled it. I’m making an argument you can’t even get the facts correct. Who’s taking about the FA cup, this was about Europe. And like I’ve says Fiorentina weren’t even that good, Rangers beat them

we lost on pens to them you nugget

PENS isn’t bottling it

 

[matty1878]

Which teams are you referring too here that have sacked a manager who has stabilised them to mid table in favour of riskier appointment, and then gone on to win a trophy or finish in the top 6?

Off the top of my head, the only successful teams (besides the Super League rats) are Villa (Emery replacing Slippy G), Newcastle (Howe replaced Bruce) and Palace (Glasner for Hodgson). The only one of those three whose situation is akin to ours is Palace, but even then, the end of Hodgson's stint was going downhill quickly.

In short, it's nice to think that a new manager will make us great. In reality, they probably won't. It's funny, because there is an actual living case study for this in West Ham. They'll likely go down this season as a result of the cause and effect of letting a solid manager go in favour of someone they thought would take them to the next level.

all day long “be careful what you wish for”

 

[Bluerover]

Allardyce is disappointed that Moyes no longer wearing a suit on the sidelines.

Oh dear! How sad never mind