2025/26 David Moyes

[Toffeepot]

Some very reasonable and well thought out posts in here lately.
What the Hell happened to GOT? Suddenly got to 19 and matured?

Look! Moyes is either the best manager in the world, or he's utter dog turd.
It's not hard FFS

This place has changed.

GOT's prefrontal cortex won't be fully matured until it's 25 so expect a bit more of

 

[Curtis]

For me Moyes seems to be his biggest foe he becomes fixated on certain notions that restrict our play like the four Cbs against Brighton because he wanted height and also to involve all his defensive favorites at once , even with Mykolenko injured Patterson could of still featured at right back. The fact that he's been making major changes in half time at least three games in the past months when he clearly abhors making substitutions indicates to me he is making the wrong decisions regarding the team selection. I'm glad he's trying to course correct but if it's happening so frequently that reflects poorly on him.

I think Moyes can be a solid manager he also is so rigid at times his best compositions of players are based on his volition but injuries and other happenstance

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Yeah I know that, but you're not helping yourself using that game figure.

Look at some of the names above you, John Gregorry, Roy Evans, 3 of our previous managers..

Surely you should be finding the best way to move up the list,
And just 4 of the 5 names I mentioned never reached 200 games..

The main point is, those with a hundred games with higher win percentages all tended to manage stronger teams, thus allowing them to have the better percentage. That is the main point to me. It’s easy to have a higher win percentage when you are managing Liverpool, Arsenal or high spending Blackburn or Newcastle.

The fact that he tends to produce 6-8 league finishes underscores his quality when managing with a relative lack of resources. That takes skill.

 

[MikeH72]

Below where we are now, because Moyes is a better manager than dyche and always has been. I know because I sometimes said ‘to be fair he kept us after taking us over in 19th and then by rights took us to 12th the season after with a negative net spend, I’m not sure he’s the devil incarnate’ you like to make out that I have a shrine to dyche in my bedroom, but that’s more on you than me I’m afraid.

The fact you implied yourself that end bit in response to a really really straightforward question is definitely more on you than me.

FWIW yes I agree we would be lower in the table with Dyche, probably below Leeds I reckon, and would be getting told that we have no right to expect any better by his acolytes (not you before you jump off the deep end again)

 

[Marcus Kendall]

For me Moyes seems to be his biggest foe he becomes fixated on certain notions that restrict our play like the four Cbs against Brighton because he wanted height and also to involve all his defensive favorites at once , even with Mykolenko injured Patterson could of still featured at right back. The fact that he's been making major changes in half time at least three games in the past months when he clearly abhors making substitutions indicates to me he is making the wrong decisions regarding the team selection. I'm glad he's trying to course correct but if it's happening so frequently that reflects poorly on him.

I think Moyes can be a solid manager he also is so rigid at times his best compositions of players are based on his volition but injuries and other happenstance

Similar with his reasoning in playing Armstrong out of position he was fixated with stopping Brighton and their way of playing rather than focusing on how we can exploit them from an attacking viewpoint.

 

[Lanolin]

The fact you implied yourself that end bit in response to a really really straightforward question is definitely more on you than me.

FWIW yes I agree we would be lower in the table with Dyche, probably below Leeds I reckon, and would be getting told that we have no right to expect any better by his acolytes (not you before you jump off the deep end again)

I was just sort of laughing at your weird obsession with dyche mate, not actually being serious. Considering your post was in reply to me literally saying I wish we’d had Moyes instead of dyche, it seems a bit disingenuous to pretend it was an honest and straightforward question.

 

[MikeH72]

I was just sort of laughing at your weird obsession with dyche mate, not actually being serious. Considering your post was in reply to me literally saying I wish we’d had Moyes instead of dyche, it seems a bit disingenuous to pretend it was an honest and straightforward question.

No I was genuinely trying to tease an answer that we could agree on and laugh at the Dychettes together.

 

[Lanolin]

No I was genuinely trying to tease an answer that we could agree on and laugh at the Dychettes together.

That’s fair.

 

[AaronTheBlue]

Moyes is and always will be his own worst enemy, he will get you to a certain point but he sets his own glass ceilings that he cannot break, it's just the way he is.

I think he's done his job, he was brought in to steady the team and get us back on track and he's done exactly that.

I don't believe he is the man or has the ability to both take us forward and develop young talent of which the new TFG model seems to be.

You can both think Moyes is a good manager, but also one with massive flaws.

You can think he has done a good job but want change at the right time.

Personally for me, even though Europe has never been easier to get, we won't finish in Europe because of Moyes risk averse approach to things.

Ive had near 15 seasons of Moyes, I want us to look forward in the summer with a new manager (that is if Moyes doesn't prove me wrong)

And there isn't anything wrong with that.

Some of our fans fear change, you have to change or you get left behind.

 

[blueboy72]

No mate, he left us half way through a season 1 point off the relegation zone.

Yes but the season before we were 13th so not a 17th place squad. Like this Forest squad in 16th. Not even a great manager or a very good one. A competent manager gets that Forest squad to mid table. So more about dyche than Moyes

 

[Zatara]

Moyes is and always will be his own worst enemy, he will get you to a certain point but he sets his own glass ceilings that he cannot break, it's just the way he is.

I think he's done his job, he was brought in to steady the team and get us back on track and he's done exactly that.

I don't believe he is the man or has the ability to both take us forward and develop young talent of which the new TFG model seems to be.

You can both think Moyes is a good manager, but also one with massive flaws.

You can think he has done a good job but want change at the right time.

Personally for me, even though Europe has never been easier to get, we won't finish in Europe because of Moyes risk averse approach to things.

Ive had near 15 seasons of Moyes, I want us to look forward in the summer with a new manager (that is if Moyes doesn't prove me wrong)

And there isn't anything wrong with that.

Some of our fans fear change, you have to change or you get left behind.

So far Moyes has failed the season.

Not developed the young players & not got us into the European spots.

Failure.

 

[MACCA75]

Nobody is arguing that he can do well at a club in distress. So can Dyche and Allerdyce...the whole purpose of this conversation is to argue whether Moyes is the man to move up us the table challenging for European competion and cups, not whether he can do better than 17th

No but your win percentage - which is what I was referencing, is surely dependent on what kind of club you take over.

 

[MACCA75]

Didn’t we finish 13th in Dyche’s last season without the points deduction

He took over a side in 17th.

 

[Mikey O]

For me, Moyes 2.0 has been doing what was needed:

First season - save us from relegation
Second season - a season where we don't have to worry about relegation and get us into mid-table
Third season * - quickly in to the top half and finish in a European place
Fourth season * - we win a cup and another European place finish

* once some stability is achieved the option exists to take a chance and bring in an Araola type.

It looks like we're pretty much on the above timeline - it's not particularly exciting but it looks like progress to me.

 

[MACCA75]

Yes but the season before we were 13th so not a 17th place squad. Like this Forest squad in 16th. Not even a great manager or a very good one. A competent manager gets that Forest squad to mid table. So more about dyche than Moyes

And in 1987 we were Champions, so he essentially took over a title winning side and ruined it.