2025/26 David Moyes

Lanolin said:
We’ve finished 12th and 13th in terms of points won in the last 2 years and as it stands we’re 1 and 3 points above those positions. I feel bad because I genuinely love Moyes and I’m not trying to say he’s doing a bad job but there’s this weird thing where people keep making out like he’s performed a miracle and nobody could ever have imagined that we’d have moved from the top of the bottom half to the bottom of the top half when we swapped Harrison and doucoure for Grealish and KDH, it’s just not true.

The noises out of the club are that they’re looking at Europe, for me personally I think that would be a brilliant effort but being where we are is pretty much the least I expected. The circumstances are totally different from the last couple of years, that’s not the standard we should be judging ourselves by.

I think Moyes did a brilliant job last year and has done a good one this year. I am open to the idea of him moving on not because I don’t think he’s a good manager or doing a good job but because I’m not sure he’s a great fit for what the club should be looking to do right now. I wish we’d had him instead of Benitez, lampard, and dyche, and possibly ancelotti too, but I’m just a bit fatigued of percentage and negative football and would quite like a proper fresh start where we start going in a different direction and bring back some excitement and hope. I’m not sure we can do that with Moyes.
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I agree with much of what you say but I think even tho we currently sit close to where dyche has us in his full season it's also fair to say we have not had to fear at any point that we might be in a relegation battle. We've kept clear. Which is a relief of course and it's down to Moyes
 
bicycleheader said:
I agree with much of what you say but I think even tho we currently sit close to where dyche has us in his full season it's also fair to say we have not had to fear at any point that we might be in a relegation battle. We've kept clear. Which is a relief of course and it's down to Moyes
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Of course, but I’m replying to somebody not making a standalone point. The point is there’s a lot of this ‘who would ever have dreamed we’d be 10th’ type stuff when it makes no sense. We earned enough points to be 1 point away from the top 10 in 23/24, it’s hardly a massive shock that now we have a better manager, a squad which is much better on paper, the ownership situation and finances etc are sorted, we’re looking to improve on it.

As I said, that’s not to talk Moyes down, just to point out that this isn’t fans being ridiculously unreasonable, we’re basically talking about still being the same mid table grouping that we’ve been in for 2 years but moving from the bottom of it to near the top not going from 20th to 1st.
 
Lanolin said:
Of course, but I’m replying to somebody not making a standalone point. The point is there’s a lot of this ‘who would ever have dreamed we’d be 10th’ type stuff when it makes no sense. We earned enough points to be 1 point away from the top 10 in 23/24, it’s hardly a massive shock that now we have a better manager, a squad which is much better on paper, the ownership situation and finances etc are sorted, we’re looking to improve on it.

As I said, that’s not to talk Moyes down, just to point out that this isn’t fans being ridiculously unreasonable, we’re basically talking about still being the same mid table grouping that we’ve been in for 2 years but moving from the bottom of it to near the top not going from 20th to 1st.
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If all of those factors remained the same but we had Dyche instead of Moyes from the start of the season, where do you think we’d be currently?
 
Bedfordblue said:
Wow - really going in on THE FANS here.

This is the problem which such a DIVISIVE appointment.

Really UGLY blue on blue angst and finger pointing ☹️

Thing could get REALLY BAD in here if there’s another 90 mins of Brighton performance levels today.
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Think you should put more words in all caps to create additional drama and really hammer the point home mate.
 
Lanolin said:
We’ve finished 12th and 13th in terms of points won in the last 2 years and as it stands we’re 1 and 3 points above those positions. I feel bad because I genuinely love Moyes and I’m not trying to say he’s doing a bad job but there’s this weird thing where people keep making out like he’s performed a miracle and nobody could ever have imagined that we’d have moved from the top of the bottom half to the bottom of the top half when we swapped Harrison and doucoure for Grealish and KDH, it’s just not true.

The noises out of the club are that they’re looking at Europe, for me personally I think that would be a brilliant effort but being where we are is pretty much the least I expected. The circumstances are totally different from the last couple of years, that’s not the standard we should be judging ourselves by.

I think Moyes did a brilliant job last year and has done a good one this year. I am open to the idea of him moving on not because I don’t think he’s a good manager or doing a good job but because I’m not sure he’s a great fit for what the club should be looking to do right now. I wish we’d had him instead of Benitez, lampard, and dyche, and possibly ancelotti too, but I’m just a bit fatigued of percentage and negative football and would quite like a proper fresh start where we start going in a different direction and bring back some excitement and hope. I’m not sure we can do that with Moyes.
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Well that was eloquently said. I spose I agree, We've not had great luck with any of our post Moyes managers so far though, I would like that changed with our next appointment..... If and when that time comes. I just don't see the rush others have wished. Grass is rarely greener. Well said though x
 
MikeH72 said:
If all of those factors remained the same but we had Dyche instead of Moyes from the start of the season, where do you think we’d be currently?
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Below where we are now, because Moyes is a better manager than dyche and always has been. I know because I sometimes said ‘to be fair he kept us after taking us over in 19th and then by rights took us to 12th the season after with a negative net spend, I’m not sure he’s the devil incarnate’ you like to make out that I have a shrine to dyche in my bedroom, but that’s more on you than me I’m afraid.
 
bicycleheader said:
At best there's a couple of posters that you could maybe say are expecting Europe. I don't think I've seen any actually say that. I don't think it's fair to dismiss anybody who might actually think the season is a failure when he blew the cups at the first attempt. He set himself up for that. I don't personally think it's a failure, it's just grand. Great to be away from relegation but nothing unexpected from him.

This narrative that we have come out of disaster and people want the world is getting repeated and it's not true if you read what people are actually saying.

Some fans are so delighted to have him back that they can't even really listen to anybody who isn't overjoyed. So you get these straw man arguments

Again we have watched this manager for over ten years. I personally think a new era for our club shouldn't be kicking off with handing significant control to a manager that didn't win anything in multiple years and plays % football. I don't think it's a great look for the club, but I understand why he was chosen last season and he did a great job. His football and his character was well suited to that task. The task to come is not one I'd like to see him undertake though, given years of watching him do his thing.

If we wanted calm stability and peace in the fanbase you don't stick with Moyes. Or at least he shouldn't be high up the list. He is not Dyche level divisive but he is divisive due to fairly drawn conclusions about what he can and can't do based on 100s of games with him. He will not get much patience from a lot of fans and I think that's fair enough. Not many managers get multiple seasons at such a club without winning anything. He's hardly going to be wildly adored is he?

And I agree a new manager wouldn't be getting as much stick for this season, because there wouldn't be the same sense of deja vu and repetition of what we have already seen in the past and the same sense of knowing exactly what we are going to get going forward.
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Well this is nice, another very well written post. Can't say I disagree with much of what you wrote either, I just don't see the rush.
let's get this season done before we look to do a 180 with a new style. Moyes hasn't had Branthwaite all season, he has had to deal with a ton of injuries to an already meagre squad, I don't think it fair to say he's bottled anything, we have had a bench full of kids, not many sides in this league win games with an arm tied behind their back. Anyway, nice to read such good arguments for and against, wish mine were as good!
 
MikeH72 said:
Think you should put more words in all caps to create additional drama and really hammer the point home mate.
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