2025/26 David Moyes

[Drico]

We literally have got better. This time last year we were 16th on 17pts and we’re now 12th on 29pts. This time last season we were 21pts off 4th and 20 off a Europa league spot this season we’re 7pts off top four and 5 off a europa league spot. We’ve ground out a point per game during Afcon on top of injuries and suspensions. What you and others are saying is completely false. Do people expect us to go from bottom of the table to title challengers in one window?

I'd expect us to beat Wolves and Sunderland in both cups. I'd expect to take more than 2 points from 9 against Burnley, Wolves, and Brentford. I'd expect us to sign a right back.

Do these simple enough things and there is more patience. Brushing these abject failures under the carpet, however, leads people to think our standards have fallen through the floor.

 

[ToffeeTim]

We literally have got better. This time last year we were 16th on 17pts and we’re now 12th on 29pts. This time last season we were 21pts off 4th and 20 off a Europa league spot this season we’re 7pts off top four and 5 off a europa league spot. We’ve ground out a point per game during Afcon on top of injuries and suspensions. What you and others are saying is completely false. Do people expect us to go from bottom of the table to title challengers in one window?

No I expected top 10 and to have a serious go at both cups

That's a more than realistic expectation this year and we aren't meeting expectation

I've no idea why people bring up title challenges or champions league every time we criticise the current form or our progression this year, or the lack of ambition from the club.

Given what we spent last summer we should be miles better than what we are. That's my main criticism.

 

[Drico]

We've not won a trophy in over 30 years, and brought back the manager responsible for over a 1/3 of that time to rebuild.

How many clubs would do that?

EV-ER-TOOON.

Is there a manager in the game that would be kept on after winning nothing in 13 years with the same top flight club?

 

[Swartzy]

On the bold, I think it's more about your last paragraph - as in, whether you're happy with another 1-5 years of Moyes.

I get the pro arguments, he's a comfort blanket but - I think we need to move on from worrying about relegation and have some hope. I hope to see Everton win a trophy before I die. Personally, Moyes doesn't give me that hope - he'll never win a domestic trophy in this country and that's something I'd like to see.

Nothing wrong with a comfort blanket after years of winter darkness, just don't keep it on to long..

Don't extend the contract.

Look at the way we want to progress, Spend time looking for the manager/coach and background team that fit that criteria.

Don't hand over a bloated squad of players that don't fit into the system.

Who is our Arteta ?

All sounds so simple on paper..

 

[toffeeblue9]

We've not won a trophy in over 30 years, and brought back the manager responsible for over a 1/3 of that time to rebuild. [Edit] Or closer to 40% of the time I think?)

How many clubs would do that?

EV-ER-TOOON.

I agree to a point, he wouldn't have been my first choice but from our starting point is anyone thinking we *should* be winning anything within 2.5 years?

I'd suggest that's probably not realistic, so let him do what he's good at, put some foundations in place for the next 18 months and then find someone who can take us forward from that.

I think where I differ with a lot of people is the expectations about how quickly we should be qualifying for Europe and challenging for trophies - from the starting position we were in 12 months ago, I don't think this season was realistic. I appreciate I'm in the minority but I've not seen a convincing argument to the contrary.

 

[Moomin]

We've not won a trophy in over 30 years, and brought back the manager responsible for over a 1/3 of that time to rebuild. [Edit] Or closer to 40% of the time I think?)

How many clubs would do that?

EV-ER-TOOON.

Excuse Football Club we should rename ourselves at the minute.

 

[Drico]

Excuse Football Club we should rename ourselves at the minute.

EFC - Excuses For Comfort

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Nothing wrong with a comfort blanket after years of winter darkness, just don't keep it on to long..

Id usually agree mate but the causes of that darkness was all but gone with Moshiri and the issues he caused - the club had such an opportunity last summer. New stadium. New owners. Record spend potential. Deadwood leaving.

We decided to give that rebuild to Moyes, who reportedly, TFG wouldn't have give the job to it Dyche held on until summer.

Don't extend the contract.

I dont think this works in modern football.

I agree to a point, he wouldn't have been my first choice but from our starting point is anyone thinking we *should* be winning anything within 2.5 years?

... I dont think he was TFGs first choice either.

No not within 2.5 years but we've not won a thing for over 30 and Moyes was manager for near 40% of that. Seems counter productive to me to give him the rebuild.

 

[Ferguson1878]

Tbh it wasnt so much about Moyes. Its this slight entitlement some have. Firstly we're not good enough to have any form of entitlement. I think some already bookmarked brentford and wolves at home as 6 points before we even kicked a ball. For what reason, because they're called brentford and wolves? Snobbery? I dunno. But it just doesnt work like that.
Have you seen our fullbacks and strikers. wtf have we got to be entitled about.

Expecting to be beat a bottom of the league team , who points wise are one of the worst ever at this point isn’t entitlement come of it

 

[Swartzy]

Id usually agree mate but the causes of that darkness was all but gone with Moshiri and the issues he caused - the club had such an opportunity last summer. New stadium. New owners. Record spend potential. Deadwood leaving.

We decided to give that rebuild to Moyes, who reportedly, TFG wouldn't have give the job to it Dyche held on until summer.



I dont think this works in modern football.



... I dont think he was TFGs first choice either.

No not within 2.5 years but we've not won a thing for over 30 and Moyes was manager for near 40% of that. Seems counter productive to me to give him the rebuild.

Take Dyche out of the equation, he had to go.
You can't look back and say they were the guaranteed 3 teams heading down as you don't know that January.

Moyes was the simple option and it worked out, but bringing him back, like anyone, it comes with a cost/contract.
( unless you risk an interim appointment )

Dyche eventually put us in that forced situation.

The summer was the best chance we've had at building from scratch to really fit into a new approach.

The only realistic outcome from above would have taken a risk on an interim manager to keep us up last season.

There is always if's and but's.

As for now, keep the purse closed until the summer...

 

[DanB90]

4 more years!

 

[Ferguson1878]

Kenwright and his boy Davey have done a proper number on evertonians, many of us seem happy with the current performances and position we find ourselves in, which Is clear an improvement on the last few seasons, but we need to look at that in the context of the league this season as a whole.

While it’s true I am pleased to seemingly (hopefully) be away from the relegation dogfight, which is the minimum we should be aiming for at the start of every season, I cannot just excuse the managers tactical decisions and handling of some of the players recruited when he was backed in the summer - players he selected and signed.

He’s too negative, and safety first, resulting in some of the worst home performances and defeats in any season.

With the league being so poor, the opportunity was there for us to grasp the nettle and aim for Europe, but we’ve blown that now - the afcon and injuries haven’t helped, but it was self inflicted by the manager, every club was affected by afcon and injuries

We might as well pack it in if we can’t be bothered hoping and striving for better than just existing.

He has done what was needed, you have to thank him for that, but I don’t think he will ever win anything with us or consistently move the club forward to where we all want to be.

the return of Moyes has resurrected the happy clappers

 

[Ferguson1878]

Excuse Football Club we should rename ourselves at the minute.

Has anyone said “ careful what you wish for “ yet ?

 

[Moomin]

Has anyone said “ careful what you wish for “ yet ?

Quite a few have trotted out " Look at West Ham "

 

[Number_25]

Is there a manager in the game that would be kept on after winning nothing in 13 years with the same top flight club?

I think the true answer to this question depends on whether you're capable of thinking with context.

When Moyes first arrived, we were a dying club. Post Johnson the club was in the sort of financial situation that makes Moshiri's mismanagement of club finances pale into insignificance.

Moyes turned that into a club that qualified for european football, three cup semi-finals and 1 cup final - all on something like the 8th lowest wage budget in the league.

Now consider what happened after Moyes left. We spent half a billion quid on players like Bolasie, Schneiderlin, Walcott, Klaassen, and Ashley Williams.

The question shouldn't be "why was he kept after winning nothing?" - it should be "what does it say that the club got demonstrably worse despite finally having money to spend?" - same goes with West Ham United btw.