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Forecast isn’t that bad for tomorrow.
Hopefully we can get most of the day in.
Hopefully we can get most of the day in.
Chris O'Connor
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Tbh I would say this time it's fairly accurate giving them 3%, I think they should be giving England single figures here too. Draw should be 90%, as it should have been even before the toss.
Draw 53%, Eng 44%, WI 3%
If you put a side in and take 4 wickets all day, it's pretty poor by any standards but the reason you may have done it might all be down to the Manchester weather forecast anyway, which does makes it the logical choice.
Chris O'Connor
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Look at Monday, may get some play tomorrow afternoon, it has improved.
Chris O'Connor
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Yeah if only we hadn't picked the wrong team at Southampton, pick Broad and we'd have won I reckon. I do think they've half an eye on the ashes when Anderson will be 40
I will let peace pass, this time
Agree with that Chris, whether it was right or wrong. I think the selectors thought we need to look to the future here and we need to start planning without a spearhead of Anderson/Broad in every test. With hindsight, it was the wrong decision, but I can see why they made it. Anderson needs to be used sparingly now due to age and so does Wood, given his injury record.
Even given the weather forecast, this test is winnable after the last session today.
Chris O'Connor
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I think it is if we get anything near four days but Monday does look pretty nasty and we'll probably lose quite a bit tomorrow. We've just got to hope the forecast isn't totally accurate.
The rain is still a comfortable favourite though.
Chris O'Connor
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Good to see Burns rediscovering some of the form he showed when so impressive last summer against Australia and continued last Winter in New Zealand and South Africa.
After such a long enforced absence from any cricket at all, it's taken a few innings to get going again, but Burns and Pope were always going to come good and why I can't understand some who look at these special tests and are highly critical if they've not done it straight off. Sibley and Burns look like they're here to stay as does Pope.
Buttler has kept brilliantly this summer but people now criticise his batting, previously it was his keeping, he's thrown two innings for the cause and made a 40 in one. He's picked for his keeping and contribution on the field and in the dressing room. Batting at number seven most of the time he's often with the tail and doesn't have a chance to bat with batsmen, look too closely at stats and you drop a serious clanger. When he's batted six his average is well over 40.
As Nasser said you like to give some players a game too many to make sure they won't make it, well Buttler besides now being a rapidly improving keeper could be sensational if he cracks it, he's worth a lot of games extra because of the potential rewards. His keeping alone is worth it now, it's no longer a weak link.
After such a long enforced absence from any cricket at all, it's taken a few innings to get going again, but Burns and Pope were always going to come good and why I can't understand some who look at these special tests and are highly critical if they've not done it straight off. Sibley and Burns look like they're here to stay as does Pope.
Buttler has kept brilliantly this summer but people now criticise his batting, previously it was his keeping, he's thrown two innings for the cause and made a 40 in one. He's picked for his keeping and contribution on the field and in the dressing room. Batting at number seven most of the time he's often with the tail and doesn't have a chance to bat with batsmen, look too closely at stats and you drop a serious clanger. When he's batted six his average is well over 40.
As Nasser said you like to give some players a game too many to make sure they won't make it, well Buttler besides now being a rapidly improving keeper could be sensational if he cracks it, he's worth a lot of games extra because of the potential rewards. His keeping alone is worth it now, it's no longer a weak link.
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Rain never comes to help the batsman mind. Any play tomorrow will help. A mad thrash to get 325 plus on Sunday and with a 5 man bowling attack and a swinging ball, a win isn't out of the question yet.
Chris O'Connor
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England 6/5, Draw 8/11, West Indies 33/1
Probability England 42%, Draw 55%, West Indies 3%
Seems to be saying an England win is an outside chance. The draw is an outstanding chance and a West Indies win - no chance whatsoever.
Probability England 42%, Draw 55%, West Indies 3%
Seems to be saying an England win is an outside chance. The draw is an outstanding chance and a West Indies win - no chance whatsoever.
Chris O'Connor
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Compare and contrast today's weather forecast in different parts of Lancashire (the cricket county (pre 1972 borders) not the actual one today.)
Old Trafford looks as though we may lose the morning session although it is an improving picture and even that is by no means certain but probable, an hour will be made up tonight and tomorrow night.
And the Lancashire CCC outgrounds
Aigburth - no problem all day
Southport - no problem all day
Blackpool - no problem all day
Sedbergh School (Cumbria) - small chance of rain early on but mostly dry
Although it's ridiculous to just point out any particular day when another the reverse may be true but with Manchester bordered by the high ground of the Manchester Moorland and the pennines it dies unfortunately get more than its fair share of rain.
Those Victorian cricketing founders of the Lancashire club once had a choice between the large and then booming cities of Liverpool and Manchester and possibly didn't put the regular occurrence of bad weather too high in their considerations
Old Trafford looks as though we may lose the morning session although it is an improving picture and even that is by no means certain but probable, an hour will be made up tonight and tomorrow night.
And the Lancashire CCC outgrounds
Aigburth - no problem all day
Southport - no problem all day
Blackpool - no problem all day
Sedbergh School (Cumbria) - small chance of rain early on but mostly dry
Although it's ridiculous to just point out any particular day when another the reverse may be true but with Manchester bordered by the high ground of the Manchester Moorland and the pennines it dies unfortunately get more than its fair share of rain.
Those Victorian cricketing founders of the Lancashire club once had a choice between the large and then booming cities of Liverpool and Manchester and possibly didn't put the regular occurrence of bad weather too high in their considerations
The doubts are because he's scored 1 century in 40 test matches, which for a player of his talent is a poor return. I'm not sure many would argue that he's less talented than a, say, Matt Prior was, yet Prior's record was much better. It's great to see both Pope and Buttler contributing yesterday though, and hopefully, weather permitting, they'll continue to do so over the weekend.
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West Indies bowled really well for two sessions and never let England get away from them, it was the last session where they became tired and loose and the day swung away from them.
So while i would agree they deserve credit for keeping control until tea i would qualify that slightly tbh...
I can't help but think England's new approach helps them 'keep control' an awful lot....so put the shots away, grind it out initially and slowly crawl along, establish a platform to go big much later with over 400 being the aim. The batsman especially the openers, but not only them, as this time showed, even Root and Stokes (Stokes again starting in his circumspect mode) are happy to just stay in and put plenty of overs into tired bowler's legs. While it's not that entertaining to watch, I'm not really so sure that even if the Windies had bowled really badly they wouldn't have contained the scoring rate pretty effectively anyway. Once a batsman goes out with a defensive mindset it can be easy to just get stuck there, Stokes has the ability to flick a switch and become the attacking whirlwind he can be, but not many others can switch so easily.
A very early wicket and a careless run out only made the approach more essential rather than less, and even Buttler seemed to catch the mood, trying if he possibly could to make progress without playing a single shot. I'm sure a huge tail and the onus on just not getting out also helps the bowling side 'keep control'.
I think it's possibly a bit if both, good bowling but also the batting side's determination to play in a certain fashion, putting the shots away which gives the result. In the last test West Indies kept admirable control of Sibley and Stokes and had they held on to catches or got the edge it could so easily have been different, but it's hard to just simply ignore the batting side's 'new' ultra cautious approach as not being a serious contributing factor. In the end it must be the eventual total they concede which really matters and 479 was truly abysmal after inserting.
England have such a fragile lower half that early new ball wickets could easily mean all out for not that many more as it's just filled with bowlers, albeit Woakes and Bess are useful batters too. 5 wickets down with such a massive tail can be 10 wickets in no time. In effect replacing Crawley and Curran with Archer and Anderson will adversely affect not only the batting strength but also the psychology and perhaps therefore the approach of those at the top of the order too. England still can't really afford to lose a wicket or it could soon be innings over.
So while i would agree they deserve credit for keeping control until tea i would qualify that slightly tbh...
I can't help but think England's new approach helps them 'keep control' an awful lot....so put the shots away, grind it out initially and slowly crawl along, establish a platform to go big much later with over 400 being the aim. The batsman especially the openers, but not only them, as this time showed, even Root and Stokes (Stokes again starting in his circumspect mode) are happy to just stay in and put plenty of overs into tired bowler's legs. While it's not that entertaining to watch, I'm not really so sure that even if the Windies had bowled really badly they wouldn't have contained the scoring rate pretty effectively anyway. Once a batsman goes out with a defensive mindset it can be easy to just get stuck there, Stokes has the ability to flick a switch and become the attacking whirlwind he can be, but not many others can switch so easily.
A very early wicket and a careless run out only made the approach more essential rather than less, and even Buttler seemed to catch the mood, trying if he possibly could to make progress without playing a single shot. I'm sure a huge tail and the onus on just not getting out also helps the bowling side 'keep control'.
I think it's possibly a bit if both, good bowling but also the batting side's determination to play in a certain fashion, putting the shots away which gives the result. In the last test West Indies kept admirable control of Sibley and Stokes and had they held on to catches or got the edge it could so easily have been different, but it's hard to just simply ignore the batting side's 'new' ultra cautious approach as not being a serious contributing factor. In the end it must be the eventual total they concede which really matters and 479 was truly abysmal after inserting.
England have such a fragile lower half that early new ball wickets could easily mean all out for not that many more as it's just filled with bowlers, albeit Woakes and Bess are useful batters too. 5 wickets down with such a massive tail can be 10 wickets in no time. In effect replacing Crawley and Curran with Archer and Anderson will adversely affect not only the batting strength but also the psychology and perhaps therefore the approach of those at the top of the order too. England still can't really afford to lose a wicket or it could soon be innings over.
I'm not convined on that at all. I mean Broad got 6 wickets at OT whichis good but not etirely game changing.
Anderson and Broad are a problem, as I said the other. Anderson is 40 and Broad will be nearly 37 when the net Ashes come. Neither sre suited to bowling in Australia. How they manage this, and to a lesser degree Woakes and Curran who are far more suited to England will be interesting. Wood bowles the perfect length for Australia.
If you look at Broads record in Australia in the 3 eries so far there, he has averagd 80, 47 and 35 I think. Even in the peak of his powers he's not done much. You do also have to factor in deterioration, Anderson is a better athlete than Broad but both pose a problem. At their age, I doubt euther will offer much in Australia.
If you were forward planning, Woakes and Curran could both have a part to play with their batting, probably with 2 out an out quicks and potentially a spin bowler. That would be the way I went.