Council pushing for EFC & LFC as enablers to Open Outer Loop Line

[sirblue57]

You knowledge of financials is zero. The Council are getting all parties together NOW. Backing from others is not the case as they have not moved significantly.



Merseytravel have just put open to tender offers to supply dedicated Merseyrail specific rolling stock fro all European makers. The current trains are due for replacement.

The Council is planning AHEAD, as they do. To get things moving when the CC recedes.

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i dont pretend to have your knowledge on the matter, or edge's either. but i find the notion of LCC being pro-active and thinking ahead is novel beyond belief. and this ,to me, all falls down with the mention of finance. until the club get new owners, nothing ,will happen.

 

[Matt Damon]

Edge has blown the Fat Contoller off the platform in this thread.


Edge has put it in a real world context. Nothings going to happen without central government backing since LLC is broke due to decades of mismanagement.

Central government is still debating it and studying where funds will go.

So basically you're jumping the gun with this thread as westminsters calling the shots.


So on behalf of the knowledgable one in this industry (edge) I'll say this.

You can buy a Hornby trainset for £60. That's the closest you'll get to the new lines you're proposing until after 2015.

 

[trigger the blue]

Just come back from munich and the rail links and set up of the allianze arena is nothing short of fantastic! The Germans know what there doing and puts Britain to shame! And to think we won the war or did we?

 

[Inner-city]

Edge has blown the Fat Contoller off the platform in this thread.

He has? He said reinstating about 4 to 5 miles of mothballed Outer Loop track would cost more than electrifying about 50 miles of Liverpool-Manchester line. He obviously made that up. Or is demented. And you believe him as well. He said he is a manager and writes like 12 year old. mmmm

Edge has put it in a real world context. Nothings going to happen without central government backing since LLC is broke due to decades of mismanagement.

You got that right. The Dept fro Transport provides the funds. The Parliament debate brought about by John Pugh, was for using short sections of rail. Like the Outer Loop? He sated that you have to put forward a business case. The gvmt has confimed greater investment in rail.

So basically you're jumping the gun with this thread as westminsters calling the shots.

Who is? The Council? They are the ones getting it together. They ARE doing it, not might. They are the ones planning. They are ones wanting he business case wanting EFC, LFC, Sainsbury's etc to act under section 106.

 

[Inner-city]

i dont pretend to have your knowledge on the matter, or edge's either. but i find the notion of LCC being pro-active and thinking ahead is novel beyond belief. and this ,to me, all falls down with the mention of finance. until the club get new owners, nothing ,will happen.

The Council is a new Council with new leaders. Read back on the thread. The Outer Loop line will enable the club(s) to borrow big time.

 

[Inner-city]

Just come back from munich and the rail links and set up of the allianze arena is nothing short of fantastic! The Germans know what there doing and puts Britain to shame! And to think we won the war or did we?

Liverpool can do the same by reinstating 4 to 5 miles of mothballed track and getting the clubs on it. Simples!!!!! Common Sense. The Council are attempting to get this done.

Read the negative posts on here. Many just do not want it. Amazing!!! A negative cancer has wormed its way into the once progressive city.

 

[Philw]

If I answered a question like that I would go back to school. He say he is a manager. If he worked for me he wouldn't last long.

You knowledge of financials is zero. The Council are getting all parties together NOW. Backing from others is not the case as they have not moved significantly.

Merseytravel have just put open to tender offers to supply dedicated Merseyrail specific rolling stock fro all European makers. The current trains are due for replacement.

The Council is planning AHEAD, as they do. To get things moving when the CC recedes.

< snip misinformed made up babble >

He has? He said reinstating about 4 to 5 miles of mothballed Outer Loop track would cost more than electrifying about 50 miles of Liverpool-Manchester line. He obviously made that up. Or is demented. And you believe him as well. He said he is a manager and writes like 12 year old. mmmm

You got that right. The Dept fro Transport provides the funds. The Parliament debate brought about by John Pugh, was for using short sections of rail. Like the Outer Loop? He sated that you have to put forward a business case. The gvmt has confimed greater investment in rail.

Who is? The Council? They are the ones getting it together. They ARE doing it, not might. They are the ones planning. They are ones wanting he business case wanting EFC, LFC, Sainsbury's etc to act under section 106.

If you're gonna call people uneducated and accuse them of not being able to write, you probably want to be able to do so yourself.

 

[Inner-city]

If you're gonna call people uneducated and accuse them of not being able to write, you probably want to be able to do so yourself.

Types a very different to...... no capital letters, full stops with spaces before them, paragraphs and one long unstructured mess, etc, - which is what he wrote like. He claims he is a manager. What type I don't know - probably one of those who worked his way up with no formal education or management training - that is usually the worst type. No decent manager I have ever known writes remotely as poorly as that.

He would not last long with me, as one of a manager's prime roles is "simple effective communication". Another is analysis based on FACTS - I saw little of that.

I advise him to buy and study a small book titled "The Elements of Style" by Strunck and White. That goes for all really.

 

[Matt Damon]

He has? He said reinstating about 4 to 5 miles of mothballed Outer Loop track would cost more than electrifying about 50 miles of Liverpool-Manchester line. He obviously made that up. Or is demented. And you believe him as well. He said he is a manager and writes like 12 year old. mmmm



You got that right. The Dept fro Transport provides the funds. The Parliament debate brought about by John Pugh, was for using short sections of rail. Like the Outer Loop? He sated that you have to put forward a business case. The gvmt has confimed greater investment in rail.



Who is? The Council? They are the ones getting it together. They ARE doing it, not might. They are the ones planning. They are ones wanting he business case wanting EFC, LFC, Sainsbury's etc to act under section 106.

It doesn't matter what these councils are doing. If the government think other rail expanisons are higher priority than this white elephant you're pushing - that'll be it.


And just a point of order. I've learnt more in three posts from Edge about the merseyrail network than all your posts. He's more than educated enough thanks to years of practical experience.

Sorry to burst your bubble like. His responses have been far more educated than yours.

 

[Inner-city]

The MP for Southport was involved in the debate on this in Westminster hall on Wednesday 27th April.


http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2011/april/westminster-hall-debates-27-april-2011/

It was on BBC Parliament earlier today - Video links attached


14.30 -16.00 – Railway Expansion

John Pugh, Liberal Democrat MP for Southport, moved a debate on expansion of the railways which received an answer from Theresa Villiers, Minister of State, Department of Transport.

Video and Audio: Railway expansion
Commons Hansard: Railway expansion
Topics: Railways

Edit. Interestingly enough several local / central government members (Sefton, Southport and so on were all involved in it see the transcript (second link) )

"I am encouraged by the pre-election support of the Under-Secretary of State for Transport, my hon. Friend the Member for Lewes for smaller schemes. I am heartened by the Secretary of State's view that even in times of austerity it is sensible to sustain capital investment in transport, and that is what the Government are doing."
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So much for those who say the government has no money. It has, it just spends it in London and the south east. It is up to the local politicians to shout loud. John Pugh is. Shamefully no LIverpool MP was at the debate pushing opening the disused Liverpool rail infrastructure. The council will shout when EFC and LFC get involved with the reopening of the Outer Loop.

 

[Inner-city]

It doesn't matter what these councils are doing. If the government think other rail expanisons are higher priority than this white elephant you're pushing - that'll be it.

Typical Liverpool negativeness again. Roll over and die. The Council are pushing it not me. Maybe they know something you don't know.

And just a point of order. I've learnt more in three posts from Edge about the merseyrail network than all your posts. He's more than educated enough thanks to years of practical experience.

Pay attention at the back! The point in question is not the Merseyrail network. It is the Outer Loop line reopening and its relation to EFC and its new stadium, which LFC are also being drawn in. If you want to know more train spotter stuff about extending Merseyrail look here:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/watercity/Merseyrail-Extensions.html

He is very educated indeed! Yerr.

• He thinks reinstating 4 miles of mothballed track costs more than electrifying 50 miles of track. Read back, that is what he wrote. Do you take that sort of stuff seriously? Don't answer, I'm sure you do. After that nothing he prattled could be taken seriously put against the schoolboy writing.
• He didn't have a clue that the freight only Bootle Branch line was a poorly connected line for passenger use and that the Outer Loop is far superior.
• He posted a picture of the safeguarded trackbed and a safeguarded bridge thinking that would scupper the idea, when I put one up of a station complete with platforms.
• He hasn't a clue about how these projects are funded thinking the Council has a wedge in its back pocket.

BTW, he prattled on about the Edge Hill hub, which is useless in urban rapid-transit rail unless the Outer Loop is reopened as the disused tunnels to the city centre would need recommisioning which involves some tunnel boring - not cheap but it is doable and cheap to anything around London. The Edge Hill tunnels connect the city centre underground section to the east of the city - the Outer Loop serves the east. The Outer Loop is cheap as most is still there. Get it? That is why the Council are pushing for it. The Outer Loop opening leads to the Tunnels from Edge to the city centre after that. One leads to the other. The Council are putting the horse before the cart, lining up dominoes, and getting the easy and cheap bits on-line and both clubs on it to their great benefit and benefit to the city.

Edge Hill has been "mentioned" as stop for High Speed Rail. Getting the urban rail out of mainline LIme Street and onto the underground releases platforms at Lime St for long haul. But that means reactivating the tunnels from Edge Hill to the city centre - Merseyrail metro.

What you don't understand get back to me.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

I like this cat more and more with every post. The never say die attitude and the continuous insults to anyone who disagrees with him make him my 'poster of the month'. Keep it up.
He sure knows his trains.

 

[Inner-city]

I like this cat more and more with every post. The never say die attitude and the continuous insults to anyone who disagrees with him make him my 'poster of the month'. Keep it up.
He sure knows his trains.

If you are referring to me, where have I insulted anyone? A few have insulted me early on, for telling them what they do not want to hear (the ones who want to stay at GP and drop into the Championship) , that the Council are getting LFC and EFC together to open the Outer Loop - I am the messenger.

I am no train spotter. I know what rapid-transit trains can give to a community though

 

[Inner-city]

the council haven't got any money to fund it

27 April 2011:
The Minister of State, Department for Transport (Mrs Theresa Villiers):
I welcome the points made by my hon. Friend the Member for Southport about the Burscough curves [which will be most prob on Merseyrail if recommissioned]. I know that he has campaigned for that project for a long time. I emphasise that the key first step to make progress on that is to get support from Lancashire county council and Merseytravel. It is important for local authorities to set priorities on a direct rail link between Ormskirk and Southport, and Southport and Preston [these will most prob be on Merseyrail]. It is for local transport authorities to decide the best way to meet a local transport need.​

The City Council are doing this right now with the support for the rapid-transit Outer Loop line and using EFC and LFC as enablers. The Council have identified the NEED. The best way of deciding to meet the NEED which the council identifies, is for Merseytravel to resolve.

1. The NEED is identified - the council are doing this having identified a need.
2. The local transport authority (Merseytravel) decide the best way to meet the need

 

[Chang Elephant]

How will the Council address the problem of an Everton board that lacks the vision or drive to deliver a new stadium project?

That for me and others like Black Toffee, blows this possibility right out of the water.