Council pushing for EFC & LFC as enablers to Open Outer Loop Line

[neonleon]

Sorry about more negativity but what if the board are super useless, as many suspect?

The board are brilliant. Kenwright saved our club.

 

[BlackToffee]

That right. I take pleasure is shattering his posts. I have not insulted you.

From the "Apostrophe Grammar Posse" to Inner City. Don't throw grammar stones at others before watching your own grammar.

That's right. I take pleasure is in shattering his posts. I have not insulted you.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Outstanding work . If only for the fact that I'm standing up and applauding Damon. He's drybumming your arguments all over the show.

 

[Inner-city]

Outstanding work . If only for the fact that I'm standing up and applauding Damon. He's drybumming your arguments all over the show.

Pay attention at the back!!! Not in a million years. Can you type where he has. My arguments are those of the City Council. BTW, Arsenal never had a financial enabler and paid off the stadium with 100% full (in ticket sales) in a depression. Read the first post on the thread and what Spurs were wanting to do in a Depression when no money is supposed to be available.

It all hereon the thread, start with post No. 1.

 

[Chang Elephant]

The board are brilliant. Kenwright saved our club.

He lacks drive and vision.

(c) Black Toffee

He couldn't save Barrymore's career

 

[BlackToffee]

He lacks drive and vision.

(c) Black Toffee

He couldn't save Barrymore's career

And why am I being dragged into your infantile argument? oh, I forgot, Johnson is now regarded as a golden era.

 

[neonleon]

And why am I being dragged into your infantile argument? oh, I forgot, Johnson is now regarded as a golden era.

Nah mate, we missed the golden era with Paul gregg. We'd be lifting the league title next week in the kings dock if it wasn't for Kenwright.

We'd have 54 rapid transit platforms and the outer loop would go to everyone's house.

 

[BlackToffee]

He lacks drive and vision.

(c) Black Toffee

He couldn't save Barrymore's career

Nobody can save Barrymore's career, he's already jumped the shark.

..and what Neon said. Gregg, the man who had no interest in football was our saviour. Doh!! we sure missed that boat.

 

[Silas]

I haven't waded through the recent pages but is there a need for this line outside of matchdays for the regular commuter?

 

[edge]

right cant be arsed with the personal stuff or the grammer.merseyrail is self contained as you state, but all of it is leased of network rail ,station signals land ect , mersey travel want the government to give them ,lock stock and barrel, everything in house including maintenance to run themselves, separate from the rest of the uk network,do you grasp that ?
network rail and the unions dont want it to happen, so are hardlly likely to expand or invest in a network they may not own in the future
.The rolling stock tender has been going for years, just because you ask the price of something dosnt mean your buying it any time soon,merseyrail have supposed to getting new trains at least three times in the last twenty years, fact is they had to refurnish there own rolling stock, they are still using british rail rolling stock, and as we get nearer the end of there francise makes it ever more unlikley they will get any soon , scotrail recently leased 38 trains at a cost of 27million a year lease fee the total cost over there 16 years,merseyrail has 13 years left thats £351 million thats saying you can get anyone to invest in building a fleet at a cost of hundred of millions in the first place they arnt a charity and will need to recoup any outlay before the end of there francise.or is the council or goverment going to pick up the tab?
The photo of the current line i posted was to show the current state of the line, its quite clear it a start from scratch job, as for your platforms , they are not a standard height all over the country so are they any good for the rolling stock your getting?The cost to reinstate track is about £12 million pounds per mile using the department of transports latest figures on a electric line.that figure dosnt include any civil engineering costs,access roads making sure the tunnels bridges are fit for purpose,fences tree felling ect, then you have the cost of stations building and manning them, new rolling stock, two links either end onto existing track, and linking into sandhill control for the signals , information ect, as agiast £3.75 million a mile to upgrade the manchester line
.The edge hill proposal at present does not include the wapping tunnel, it uses the existing station area with a new platform and booking office on a bridge like kirkdale, wavertree, and would be used as a hub to carry on into liverpool, or onwards in there journey, the link at kirkdale/bootle would cost no more than the two you want for a five mile track.As for the clubs borrowing big time, you think that will happen ?
ps posting in work it will not let me put paragraphs in before you start on that.

 

[Matt Damon]

Also to consider, are any of these areas at risk of flooding? (Recent winters?)

Another thing. As someone else mentioned by someone else (was going to post once edge returned)...

Unlike the capital merseyside doesn't have an enormous commuter market into central areas of the city as london does for non matchdays.

So the comparison with arsenal or spurs is ridiculous.

Let alone making it pay on matchdays alone. People won't go on the train to "sainsbury's" or other "enablers" you're talking about.

If any development will take place it will be focused around linking up with the wirral's major redevelopment project and the two main stations in the city centre.

A "fully integrated transport system" wouldn't be possible on a closed loop network.

That's also before getting into the regulatory issues over competition if other franchises are effectively excluded from what would require a massive public subsidy.

 

[edge]

Also to consider, are any of these areas at risk of flooding? (Recent winters?)

Another thing. As someone else mentioned by someone else (was going to post once edge returned)...

Unlike the capital merseyside doesn't have an enormous commuter market into central areas of the city as london does for non matchdays.

So the comparison with arsenal or spurs is ridiculous.

Let alone making it pay on matchdays alone. People won't go on the train to "sainsbury's" or other "enablers" you're talking about.

If any development will take place it will be focused around linking up with the wirral's major redevelopment project and the two main stations in the city centre.

A "fully integrated transport system" wouldn't be possible on a closed loop network.

That's also before getting into the regulatory issues over competition if other franchises are effectively excluded from what would require a massive public subsidy.

your right it would have to go to goverment, they have tried to expand before and been blocked as soon as other franciseise became aware of it . they have for years wanted to encompass stations on the city line with no luck.He talks about a fully intergrated transport system, then says we cant include the airport, one of the fastest growing in the uk.The reason its a private company, funny last i looked EFC and LFC the ones he says will be the great winners in all of this are as well.

 

[Inner-city]

Nah mate, we missed the golden era with Paul gregg. We'd be lifting the league title next week in the kings dock if it wasn't for Kenwright.

We'd have 54 rapid transit platforms and the outer loop would go to everyone's house.

Fantastic!

 

[sirblue57]

The board are brilliant. Kenwright saved our club.

from kings dock? thanks bill, all is forgiven. <shakes head>

 

[Matt Damon]

your right it would have to go to goverment, they have tried to expand before and been blocked as soon as other franciseise became aware of it . they have for years wanted to encompass stations on the city line with no luck.He talks about a fully intergrated transport system, then says we cant include the airport, one of the fastest growing in the uk.The reason its a private company, funny last i looked EFC and LFC the ones he says will be the great winners in all of this are as well.

If I managed another franchise and I was seeing a rival company getting a massive public subsidy to the detriment of my company...

I'd take them to the courts as it's anti competitive Article 101 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU)

and under Article 107 of that same treaty.

Because the principle is that public subsidy's should not be used to decrease competition or distort markets, they can be used to increase competition - under specific circumstances.

The fact this is a closed loop network would certainly factor in my mind on the above.


It couldn't be done without allowing other franchises in. And in doing so would lower the value of the MerseyTravel franchise - or the net profit they would be able to make.


... I bet Inter City didn't think of that did he?