Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tipp blue]

There needs to be a debate, but emphatically not that one.

The choice isn’t between the two; it’s between having a healthcare system that can cope with things like this or not.

Or to put it another way, do you think it’s fair that a 70 year old man, who worked manual labour all his life, paid all his taxes (not like he had a choice) should be told that the one time he needs the NHS for himself that he doesn’t rate as valuable as the 35 year old next in line to be treated and so should be left to gasp to death?

Conversely do you think it would be fair that the 70 year old with underlying illness should get a ventilator ahead of a 35 year old with an underlying illness? Just because it's not a nice thing to have to discuss it doesn't make it something that shouldn't be discussed, the article I posted said depression with effects lasting decades, so a minimum of 20 years, by then there could very well be the consensus that we are doing the wrong thing, in 20 years time when all those we are doing this to save are long dead which will happen anyway that's just a fact of life, will our children thank us and say what we are doing now was the right thing to have done? It is an appalling question but it is something that needs to be considered, my son is 4 they say the economy will be effected for decades, am I going to walk in some day when he's in his early 20s and find him hanging or have drank bleach because he's financially ruined can't get a job, car get his own place to live? That will happen to some people and has happened to lots of people, I hope that it will never happen to me, but given the choice between that and a hundred million dying from this, I feel it's a simple choice for me to make as it would be for every parent.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

My dad had the police round yesterday. Lives in a village in rural Cumbria. Moved the car off the drive to get into the garage and somebody called them to say "He's moved his car! He's not gone anywhere yet, but he's going to! Get here and stop him!"

Cumbrian cops are neither that smart or overly busy so they were there with flashing lights 10 mins later.

What if your dad was going out in his car for his shopping, or aren't we allowed to do that anymore? I think some neighbours need to keep to their own business instead of snooping and wasting Police time.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Imagine grassing on someone leaving their house though!

They'll be the same people who will grass through normal times because they're bitter and haven't got anything better to do than snoop.

 

[Walken]

Conversely do you think it would be fair that the 70 year old with underlying illness should get a ventilator ahead of a 35 year old with an underlying illness? Just because it's not a nice thing to have to discuss it doesn't make it something that shouldn't be discussed, the article I posted said depression with effects lasting decades, so a minimum of 20 years, by then there could very well be the consensus that we are doing the wrong thing, in 20 years time when all those we are doing this to save are long dead which will happen anyway that's just a fact of life, will our children thank us and say what we are doing now was the right thing to have done? It is an appalling question but it is something that needs to be considered, my son is 4 they say the economy will be effected for decades, am I going to walk in some day when he's in his early 20s and find him hanging or have drank bleach because he's financially ruined can't get a job, car get his own place to live? That will happen to some people and has happened to lots of people, I hope that it will never happen to me, but given the choice between that and a hundred million dying from this, I feel it's a simple choice for me to make as it would be for every parent.

In fairness and I could be wrong I think @tsubaki is saying that it shouldn't be a choice a morally ran society would have to make, hence the comment about the healthcare system

 

[Toast]

What if your dad was going out in his car for his shopping, or aren't we allowed to do that anymore? I think some neighbours need to keep to their own business instead of snooping and wasting Police time.

Or just running the engine to keep the battery going ?
My wife's car battery went dead days ago, not that it really matters right now like.

 

[Goat]

Conversely do you think it would be fair that the 70 year old with underlying illness should get a ventilator ahead of a 35 year old with an underlying illness? Just because it's not a nice thing to have to discuss it doesn't make it something that shouldn't be discussed, the article I posted said depression with effects lasting decades, so a minimum of 20 years, by then there could very well be the consensus that we are doing the wrong thing, in 20 years time when all those we are doing this to save are long dead which will happen anyway that's just a fact of life, will our children thank us and say what we are doing now was the right thing to have done? It is an appalling question but it is something that needs to be considered, my son is 4 they say the economy will be effected for decades, am I going to walk in some day when he's in his early 20s and find him hanging or have drank bleach because he's financially ruined can't get a job, car get his own place to live? That will happen to some people and has happened to lots of people, I hope that it will never happen to me, but given the choice between that and a hundred million dying from this, I feel it's a simple choice for me to make as it would be for every parent.

Good grief.

 

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Doris in number 10, second time she’s been to the supermarket today

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[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

@Sentinel defo a snitch

He's either old Bill or a curtain twitcher.

 

[Tipp blue]

In fairness and I could be wrong I think @tsubaki is saying that it shouldn't be a choice a morally ran society would have to make, hence the comment about the healthcare system

He's right there shouldn't be a choice, but saying there shouldn't be a choice is pointless because there is a choice they've had to make these choices in Italy, saying there shouldn't be a choice is the argument equivalent of burying your head in the sand.

 

[Tipp blue]

Good grief.

Elaborate

 

[Goat]

Elaborate

You want to murder Uncle Albert just in case your 4 year old has a hard time in 20 years.

As a parent I get it, but its a bit much mate.

 

[bcblue1878]

But putting black dye into a blue water pond .........

“False” ish news apparently! The pond is not nice at all, in fact has been described as toxic. The black dye thing has been done for a number of years at this time to make it less attractive to those who think it’s a laugh/or clever to go for a paddle - with unpleasant consequences!

 

[blueblueday]

Conversely do you think it would be fair that the 70 year old with underlying illness should get a ventilator ahead of a 35 year old with an underlying illness? Just because it's not a nice thing to have to discuss it doesn't make it something that shouldn't be discussed, the article I posted said depression with effects lasting decades, so a minimum of 20 years, by then there could very well be the consensus that we are doing the wrong thing, in 20 years time when all those we are doing this to save are long dead which will happen anyway that's just a fact of life, will our children thank us and say what we are doing now was the right thing to have done? It is an appalling question but it is something that needs to be considered, my son is 4 they say the economy will be effected for decades, am I going to walk in some day when he's in his early 20s and find him hanging or have drank bleach because he's financially ruined can't get a job, car get his own place to live? That will happen to some people and has happened to lots of people, I hope that it will never happen to me, but given the choice between that and a hundred million dying from this, I feel it's a simple choice for me to make as it would be for every parent.

Wow, this is one hell of a position to take! We fight for the living now, not for your 4-year-old son in 25 years' time!

 

[Catfish Blues]

But putting black dye into a blue water pond .........

To be fair, they do that on a regular basis
The Blue Lagoon's a toxic mess, so they dye it to stop dickheads swimming in it.


eg

Toxic Derbyshire 'Blue Lagoon' dyed black

A pool at a disused quarry in Derbyshire which has caustic water is changed from inviting blue to off-putting black.

www.bbc.co.uk

Darwin would be proud of anyone who ignored the signs like, but, even so, dogs and kids used to get regularly burnt from the water.

 

[Jonte]

What if your dad was going out in his car for his shopping, or aren't we allowed to do that anymore? I think some neighbours need to keep to their own business instead of snooping and wasting Police time.

This course of action is so tempting especially, when the individual (next door neighbour) initially stated their intention to flout the law a couple of weeks ago AND continues to do so. (He’s a non-essential worker).

I wouldn’t, however, I’m sorely tempted to place a sign in the window stating something along the lines of: ‘Thank you ALL for observing the lock-down, from the family of a front-line NHS member of staff’.

PS my wife welled up when I told her that our daughter was working in the ‘yellow zone’.

Please stay home folks.