Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tipp blue]

You want to murder Uncle Albert just in case your 4 year old has a hard time in 20 years.

As a parent I get it, but its a bit much mate.

But it is a fact that financial hardship causes suicide, and like I said some parents will be in that situation that I mentioned if the article I posted holds true, in Ireland during the last recession male suicide rose by 57% my point is that there is no conversation about the lives that are going to be lost because of our actions now, so in Ireland there could be up to 500 people per year killing themselves,

 

[LinekersLegs]

Putting peoples immediate lives ahead of the economy shouldn’t even be a topic of conversation ffs.

The thing is I think it a false dichotomy anyway.

How on earth do you go ”back to normal” when the virus is still widespread in a population that has no immunity? Who is going to go out to a cinema, restaurant or hop on a plane to Italy if they know there is a decent chance of them getting a virus that will end up with them/a loved one going to an overwhelmed hospital?

And the financial costs of people being ill are not insignificant in their own right - especially in the US where a hospital stay will costs thousands of dollars.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

That's my thing too. The police have far more important things to be getting on with than checking if somebody is planning an unauthorised trip to walk the dog. If he was that arsed, he could have opened his front window to enquire where he was going.

Honestly, I'm quite happy to trust that that vast majority of people are doing the best they can in difficult circumstances. If I see (as I did last week) four friends sat outside the bar one of them owns (that's obviously closed right now) sharing a bottle of wine that's in the middle of a circle of chairs all 2 metres from each other, I'm not going to try and make trouble for them.

If I see 5 people on the balcony of a small apartment I know only one person lives in in my building, I'll call them on the intercom and explain that I would like to have an income again as soon as possible so would they mind awfully not having parties.

I took our 2 dogs out for a walk yesterday mate and 2 of our neighbour's were standing on their own doorsteps having a gab, I just said hi and carried on with my walk, but it's sad to think that there would be someone out there who would have an issue with that and report them.

 

[bignev23]

What a fcking thread lol lol lol lol lol Everything from rent prices within an hours commute around Dublin to kids being depressed in the future, with a bit of grassing on your neighbour inbetween, plus the odd graph here and there predicting when we'll all be dead.(that's just the last few pages Hahaha)
Keep up the good work saving lives ( by sitting on your arses doing Jack) GOTers. What absolute Hero's you all are.

 

[Goat]

But it is a fact that financial hardship causes suicide, and like I said some parents will be in that situation that I mentioned if the article I posted holds true, in Ireland during the last recession male suicide rose by 57% my point is that there is no conversation about the lives that are going to be lost because of our actions now, so in Ireland there could be up to 500 people per year killing themselves,

Its a worldwide crisis, there are no easy ways out.

Sadly the effects will last for years.

 

[peteblue]

Coronavirus?

Caronavirus....

 

[evilwebby]

But it is a fact that financial hardship causes suicide, and like I said some parents will be in that situation that I mentioned if the article I posted holds true, in Ireland during the last recession male suicide rose by 57% my point is that there is no conversation about the lives that are going to be lost because of our actions now, so in Ireland there could be up to 500 people per year killing themselves,

You are getting way ahead of things here.

Things will be tough for a while, but we will pull through. Human's ability to shape a better future through our own ingenuity is the only unstoppable force that I have known throughout my lifetime, regardless of any short term potholes along the way. Each generation enjoys the fruits of the labour and lessons of the previous generation.

And AFAIK "Financial Hardship" has never been listed as a cause of death on anyone's death certificate.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[peteblue]

You are getting way ahead of things here.

Things will be tough for a while, but we will pull through. Human's ability to shape a better future through our own ingenuity is the only unstoppable force that I have known throughout my lifetime, regardless of any short term potholes along the way. Each generation enjoys the fruits of the labour and lessons of the previous generation.

And AFAIK "Financial Hardship" has never been listed as a cause of death on anyone's death certificate.

And TBF, the governments 80% payments will keep an awful lot of people afloat. Pensioners are still getting what they were getting before and now have less to spend it on, so it will probably be those on an income of £50k - £150k with various loans who may suffer the most.......

 

[Simon Buttle]

You are getting way ahead of things here.

Things will be tough for a while, but we will pull through. Human's ability to shape a better future through our own ingenuity is the only unstoppable force that I have known throughout my lifetime, regardless of any short term potholes along the way. Each generation enjoys the fruits of the labour and lessons of the previous generation.

And AFAIK "Financial Hardship" has never been listed as a cause of death on anyone's death certificate.

No, but it does lead to mental health issues because people see no end to the hardship. A horrible story has emerged over the weekend near me of a family of 4 who where all found dead in the house seemingly taking their own lives due to not being able to cope with the situation at the moment, still not much info about it but i think as this goes on there will be more like them sadly. I know things are sh!t for everyone at this time but i hope people who feel they have nowhere to turn to they can get any urgent help they need.

 

[Goat]

No, but it does lead to mental health issues because people see no end to the hardship. A horrible story has emerged over the weekend near me of a family of 4 who where all found dead in the house seemingly taking their own lives due to not being able to cope with the situation at the moment, still not much info about it but i think as this goes on there will be more like them sadly. I know things are sh!t for everyone at this time but i hope people who feel they have nowhere to turn to they can get any urgent help they need.

It certainly doesnt help that the self employed have been told to muddle through till the end of June.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Basically financial institutions, utility companies etc are going to have to become a lot more flexible during this crisis. I think there will have to be, in numerous countries, some sort of state sanctioned rent/mortgage relief whereby arrears up to a certain point are partially subsidised by the tax payer. There's no point recovering only to the point where we have a massive surge in business failures and unemployment leaving everybody unable to pay their bills.

 

[xena]

Conversely do you think it would be fair that the 70 year old with underlying illness should get a ventilator ahead of a 35 year old with an underlying illness? Just because it's not a nice thing to have to discuss it doesn't make it something that shouldn't be discussed, the article I posted said depression with effects lasting decades, so a minimum of 20 years, by then there could very well be the consensus that we are doing the wrong thing, in 20 years time when all those we are doing this to save are long dead which will happen anyway that's just a fact of life, will our children thank us and say what we are doing now was the right thing to have done? It is an appalling question but it is something that needs to be considered, my son is 4 they say the economy will be effected for decades, am I going to walk in some day when he's in his early 20s and find him hanging or have drank bleach because he's financially ruined can't get a job, car get his own place to live? That will happen to some people and has happened to lots of people, I hope that it will never happen to me, but given the choice between that and a hundred million dying from this, I feel it's a simple choice for me to make as it would be for every parent.

Or you could tell him sorry lad i let grandfather die because i didn't want him taking a bed up

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

And TBF, the governments 80% payments will keep an awful lot of people afloat. Pensioners are still getting what they were getting before and now have less to spend it on, so it will probably be those on an income of £50k - £150k with various loans who may suffer the most.......

Have the government started paying this cash out yet Pete?