Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

Germany ( and possibly Canada ? ) is pretty much the only major country in the West to have dealt with this sensibly.

The East took it seriously because both the governments, and more crucially, the populations already understood the risk from SARS ( and MERS ? ).

Spain, Italy, France, USA, UK, Netherlands, Switzerland, Belgium have all, to greater or lesser extents, dealt with this poorly. If it was a World Cup year, Germany would be smashing it.

Germany aren't counting figures how we are though. For some reason, we're now counting any deaths of people who tested positive for COVID-19 as being the cause of death; even though that can't actually be determined fully. As far as I'm aware Germany are still counting deaths only which are caused directly by COVID-19.

As @Nymzee pointed out the other day too, a good gauge to use is also the amount of people in serious condition.

Germany were far better prepared than us (aren't they always) in terms of PPE and ventilators etc. However, they have 1,979 (according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) in critical condition. Compare that to 163 in the UK.

Now that obviously could mean a few things – Germany are better at keeping people in critical condition alive longer than us (probably), but also that if half of those people who are in critical condition sadly die (which wouldn't be unsurprising and in fact is probably expected) then their numbers of deaths are going to tragically shoot right up - probably in a very short amount of time.

I'm pretty sure the Financial Times expert cited the other day that Germany are tracking Italy as of Saturday ()

 

[Catfish Blues]

I cant really fault the Belgian response. Public gatherings have been out since the 13th and weve been on lockdown since the 18th. The first cased were folks who'd been on the traditional half term skiing holiday and its spread from there. There were 50% fewer cases yesterday than on Saturday so we'll see today what that means...

The worrying part for me is that you have a 25% mortality rate for hospitalised patients.

You've done pretty much what most countries have mate, reacted to events. Compare that to countries in the East who have tested and isolated like there was no tomorrow.

Governments will get a lot of grief, some of it justified, but until ordinary people realised the potential magnitude of the problem, those people would react in a very different way to countries whose population have recent memories of SARS.

Even now, after having see what's happening through most of Europe, Sweden is dragging it's heels a bit. To be fair, Sweden is demographically unusual, so they might get away with it.

 

[Sentinel]

I know mate. Wasn’t having a pop at you. Some of the comments on here after ‘google searches’ are generalisations and racist on my opinion

Aye looking at your profile picture. It makes sense Jimmy.

 

[COYBL25]

People like him are so much in a corner over how the politicians they voted for have crashed the country they can only deceitfully point at other nations to distract others.

It's 'kin pathetic.


We're being killed by the Johnson Government, and he's complaining about China.

Put your dislike of all things Tory to one side for a minute Dave.

China is where it all started and if they’re starting it all up again with Wet Markets, I think there’s a bit more than complaining to do, don’t you

 

[Jay]

 

[orly]

... and that’s just Wuhan.

If what happened there mirrored what happened in countries where this virus has spread for two months without lockdown conditions or testing programmes, there will have been multiple other hotspots.

If it’s proved they’ve lied about the numbers and messed with the WHO, serious action (sanctions and boycotts) must follow.

Absolutely right.

Multiply all the Chinese numbers by 20 or 30 and that's probably close to reality. The WHO should be ashamed of itself, but it won't be, it's the health equivalent of the IAAF

 

[BlueToff]

The reason they boil the dogs alive and in some cases use a blow torch on them first ( yes whilst alive ) is that they believe that the adrenaline produced by their fear makes them taste better.

Pangolins are on the CITIES red list and a critically endangered.

This means any form of possession without a licence is a criminal offence.

Anyone who thinks this is anyway acceptable has got something seriously wrong with them.

I was saying this to a friend the other day. My point was, regardless of situation, there is never any need to eat a bat (or a dog or cat).

He said "yeh but it's their culture"

It's horrible. Like the 'culture' of some Middle Eastern countries in their treatment of women is disgusting and shouldn't be tolerated.

I find it weird how it's always the people who seem so happy to slate everything wrong with our country / government (yes, they're crap but you know, all the claims of racism etc) which then come to the defence of horrible things like this.

There shouldn't be any tolerance for that behaviour.

I don't eat meat anymore. I'm not a huge animal rights activist or anything, did it for health reasons, but I don't think any person with a shred of emotion should tolerate animals being put through pain like that or tolerate the culture of these wet markets.

My uncle has been going back and forth from China for work for the past 25 years. He's always said it's disgusting how/what they eat sometimes over there (obviously not everybody in China) - and he says it's the wealthiest who are usually worst.

 

[Sentinel]

You ever been in a slaughterhouse, chicken farm or even a farm? We certainly do stack animals on top of each other

I have. And that is lie. You'd be shut down if you did that. I have no idea were you operate. Selling feces ridden meat to the public. Stop talking nonsense.

We haven't stacked live chickens on top of cows on top of sheep. Since the middle ages. What are you on about?

The animals are slaughted. No it's not pretty. But don't compare the highest standards in the world to Chinese wet markets. You're having a laugh mate.

 

[Brisan123]

Is putting the clocks forward an onerous task?

not sure
Some lad came into my house Sun morning early and changed the phones the Tv everything
Never seen him or heard him either ,although I was fast asleep at the time

 

[orly]

One more for the full house

Trump well has it. Or is about to.

 

[davek]

New cases reported in Spain over the last 5 days:

8271 - Thursday
7933 - Friday
7516 - Saturday
6875 - Sunday
6398 - today

 

[larrygobfiend]

New cases reported in Spain over the last 5 days:

8271 - Thursday
7933 - Friday
7516 - Saturday
6875 - Sunday
6398 - today

That’s encouraging

 

[Brisan123]

I feel rough mate. Still showing high temp.
My youngest seems a lot brighter and his temp has dropped, but this is probably the Calpol.
( Any lids with young kids, I'd try and get a bottle or two of Calpol in if I was you. )

I used to genuflect and make a sign of the cross every time I passed a bottle of Calpol when my kids were young
God's gift to parents

 

[orly]

The reason they boil the dogs alive and in some cases use a blow torch on them first ( yes whilst alive ) is that they believe that the adrenaline produced by their fear makes them taste better.

Pangolins are on the CITIES red list and are critically endangered.

This means any form of possession without a licence is a criminal offence.

Anyone who thinks this is anyway acceptable has got something seriously wrong with them.

*CITES (sy-tees)

 

[Nymzee]

I was saying this to a friend the other day. My point was, regardless of situation, there is never any need to eat a bat (or a dog or cat).

He said "yeh but it's their culture"

It's horrible. Like the 'culture' of some Middle Eastern countries in their treatment of women is disgusting and shouldn't be tolerated.

I find it weird how it's always the people who seem so happy to slate everything wrong with our country / government (yes, they're crap but you know, all the claims of racism etc) which then come to the defence of horrible things like this.

There shouldn't be any tolerance for that behaviour.

I don't eat meat anymore. I'm not a huge animal rights activist or anything, did it for health reasons, but I don't think any person with a shred of emotion should tolerate animals being put through pain like that or tolerate the culture of these wet markets.

My uncle has been going back and forth from China for work for the past 25 years. He's always said it's disgusting how/what they eat sometimes over there (obviously not everybody in China) - and he says it's the wealthiest who are usually worst.

If you ever go on a trip to somewhere like Cambodia you'll understand why they eat bats/dogs/cats.