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From NYTimes. Seriously horrifying!


I Am Hospitalized With the Coronavirus

On March 12 I got a fever that didn’t go away.
It hovered around 101 or 102 degrees for the next week, accompanied by severe fatigue and body aches. My office was already working remotely, so I powered through and kept at it, with lots of breaks and naps. I saw a doctor via video who said it was probably the flu — possibly the coronavirus, he added, but tests were unavailable and the prescription, rest and fluids, would be the same regardless.
I naturally worried about the coronavirus, but I didn’t have respiratory symptoms. I’m also a 45-year-old, generally healthy nonsmoker (I quit years ago) with none of the high-risk conditions listed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. I didn’t seem like a probable Covid-19 candidate.
Then, about a week in, I began to cough. Taking deep breaths felt as if fire were shooting through my lungs. My primary care doctor, with whom I also consulted via video, thought it was pneumonia and prescribed a course of antibiotics. New York State set up a coronavirus testing site an hour from my home. When I called for an appointment, I waited on hold for 80 minutes, after which someone took my information and said someone else would call me back. No one did.
Eight days after the fever first manifested, I could barely move. My wife took me to an urgent care clinic, where I received a chest X-ray and confirmation that I had pneumonia. They swabbed me for the coronavirus but their lab was overwhelmed, and they didn’t know when they would receive any results. I’ve still not heard from them.

I returned home in terrible shape, chest burning and wracked with chills, unable to do anything other than shudder under a blanket. My primary doctor urged my wife to take me to the E.R., which she did. There, they gave me a coronavirus test and another chest X-ray, but blood tests suggested that my oxygen and white blood cell levels were decent. They sent me home but insisted that should I feel worse, I should call them back immediately.

The next day, my temperature spiked to 103.5 degrees. We called the E.R., and they told us to come back. That night I was admitted to Northern Dutchess Hospital in Rhinebeck, N.Y.

The first night and day were a literal fever-dream of pricks, prods, scans and sweat. I floated in and out of consciousness and hallucinations as nurses drew blood from all over and gave me shots of blood thinner in my stomach, which became a daily routine. Someone took another chest X-ray.
On the second day I was more lucid but still felt horrendous, and a friendly doctor came in with two bits of news: The coronavirus test I took in the E.R. had come back positive and the latest X-ray wasn’t good. He showed me the earlier X-ray from the E.R.: Each lung had a cloudy patch near the bottom but was otherwise clear. Then he showed me the new X-ray. It looked liked some demented handyman had sprayed my lungs with insulation.
It was one of the bleakest moments of the ordeal, surpassed only by the moment when I wondered, as I hugged my 9-year-old daughter goodbye on the way to the hospital, if I would ever hug her again.

My doctor said we’d stay the course and perhaps add another antibiotic to the mix. But if things didn’t start to turn around soon, he added, I would need to move into the intensive care unit. I lay back, utterly dispirited, and turned on the TV. It was on CNN. President Trump was telling someone he wanted to reopen the country by Easter.
Sign up to receive our daily Coronavirus Briefing, an informed guide with the latest developments and expert advice.

A few weeks ago I would have rolled my eyes and made a joke about how he should socially distance himself on some Mar-a-Lago golf course. Just go away and let the adults figure things out.
But my experience has made this pandemic much less abstract, and left me in no mood for jokes. I’m writing this from my hospital bed in Rhinebeck, on Day 14 of my Covid-pneumonia saga.
It has been miserable in general, with spikes of both awful physical pain and real terror, given the uncertainties that still surround the disease and its outcomes. I think of my wife and daughter every minute.
But I also feel humbled and awed by the care I’ve received from nurses, doctors, technicians, cleaning and food staff members, all of them strangers who risk getting this disease every time they come in to help me, which they do over and over, day after day, with good cheer and expertise. It is heroic and moving.
Every time the president minimizes this crisis, he is making these people’s lives more difficult. When he makes the pandemic seem less serious than it is, he gives those inclined to disregard it license to do so.
The virus doesn’t care about political talking points. Fewer precautions taken across the country will result in more patients. Which means that the people now helping me, and the thousands like them all over the nation, will soon have more patients than they can handle. These people — who are leaving their own families behind every day to help other people’s mothers, fathers, children and grandparents — will be asked to do even more.

For me, things did start to turn around as the drugs did their work. My fever broke a day ago and my most recent chest X-ray shows signs of improvement. I am feeling better. I feel confident that I will hug my wife and daughter again, even though plenty of quarantining will remain for each of us — their health has been fine, thankfully — after I am discharged. I know how fortunate I am, thanks to the support of my family, friends and employer — and most crucially, having health insurance. I also know the country has only begun to contend with this crisis.
I’m also lucky to have had such excellent caretakers, who help me sit up and eat and bathe and rest and heal, all the while telling me how much they are praying for me. We cannot do enough for these people, who are selflessly performing the world’s most important work. They are saving our lives. They have saved mine.

As this crisis intensifies, we must think about how to make their lives easier, whether through direct bonus payments, student loan and debt forgiveness, free groceries, free child care or all of the above (or something else entirely). We must mobilize American industry to expand our medical infrastructure. People are conducting sewing drives to make masks for health care workers. That’s sweet and noble, but why aren’t companies like Proctor & Gamble churning them out by the millions? I saw a TV ad that said Ford will work with lessees affected by the coronavirus. Great. Now why don’t you get going on a few hundred thousand ventilators?
And of course, we must expand testing as rapidly as possible.
This is a national health emergency, and we must treat it with the seriousness it deserves. We must listen to the health professionals. And we must do everything we can to help them save us.
Wow that’s incredible. Not one story I’ve read from a member of the general public around the world so far have they had immediate help/tests/diagnosis.
 
From NYTimes. Seriously horrifying!


I Am Hospitalized With the Coronavirus

On March 12 I got a fever that didn’t go away.
It hovered around 101 or 102 degrees for the next week, accompanied by severe fatigue and body aches. My office was already working remotely, so I powered through and kept at it, with lots of breaks and naps. I saw a doctor via video who said it was probably the flu — possibly the coronavirus, he added, but tests were unavailable and the prescription, rest and fluids, would be the same regardless.
I naturally worried about the coronavirus, but I didn’t have respiratory symptoms. I’m also a 45-year-old, generally healthy nonsmoker (I quit years ago) with none of the high-risk conditions listed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. I didn’t seem like a probable Covid-19 candidate.
Then, about a week in, I began to cough. Taking deep breaths felt as if fire were shooting through my lungs. My primary care doctor, with whom I also consulted via video, thought it was pneumonia and prescribed a course of antibiotics. New York State set up a coronavirus testing site an hour from my home. When I called for an appointment, I waited on hold for 80 minutes, after which someone took my information and said someone else would call me back. No one did.
Eight days after the fever first manifested, I could barely move. My wife took me to an urgent care clinic, where I received a chest X-ray and confirmation that I had pneumonia. They swabbed me for the coronavirus but their lab was overwhelmed, and they didn’t know when they would receive any results. I’ve still not heard from them.

I returned home in terrible shape, chest burning and wracked with chills, unable to do anything other than shudder under a blanket. My primary doctor urged my wife to take me to the E.R., which she did. There, they gave me a coronavirus test and another chest X-ray, but blood tests suggested that my oxygen and white blood cell levels were decent. They sent me home but insisted that should I feel worse, I should call them back immediately.

The next day, my temperature spiked to 103.5 degrees. We called the E.R., and they told us to come back. That night I was admitted to Northern Dutchess Hospital in Rhinebeck, N.Y.

The first night and day were a literal fever-dream of pricks, prods, scans and sweat. I floated in and out of consciousness and hallucinations as nurses drew blood from all over and gave me shots of blood thinner in my stomach, which became a daily routine. Someone took another chest X-ray.
On the second day I was more lucid but still felt horrendous, and a friendly doctor came in with two bits of news: The coronavirus test I took in the E.R. had come back positive and the latest X-ray wasn’t good. He showed me the earlier X-ray from the E.R.: Each lung had a cloudy patch near the bottom but was otherwise clear. Then he showed me the new X-ray. It looked liked some demented handyman had sprayed my lungs with insulation.
It was one of the bleakest moments of the ordeal, surpassed only by the moment when I wondered, as I hugged my 9-year-old daughter goodbye on the way to the hospital, if I would ever hug her again.

My doctor said we’d stay the course and perhaps add another antibiotic to the mix. But if things didn’t start to turn around soon, he added, I would need to move into the intensive care unit. I lay back, utterly dispirited, and turned on the TV. It was on CNN. President Trump was telling someone he wanted to reopen the country by Easter.
Sign up to receive our daily Coronavirus Briefing, an informed guide with the latest developments and expert advice.

A few weeks ago I would have rolled my eyes and made a joke about how he should socially distance himself on some Mar-a-Lago golf course. Just go away and let the adults figure things out.
But my experience has made this pandemic much less abstract, and left me in no mood for jokes. I’m writing this from my hospital bed in Rhinebeck, on Day 14 of my Covid-pneumonia saga.
It has been miserable in general, with spikes of both awful physical pain and real terror, given the uncertainties that still surround the disease and its outcomes. I think of my wife and daughter every minute.
But I also feel humbled and awed by the care I’ve received from nurses, doctors, technicians, cleaning and food staff members, all of them strangers who risk getting this disease every time they come in to help me, which they do over and over, day after day, with good cheer and expertise. It is heroic and moving.
Every time the president minimizes this crisis, he is making these people’s lives more difficult. When he makes the pandemic seem less serious than it is, he gives those inclined to disregard it license to do so.
The virus doesn’t care about political talking points. Fewer precautions taken across the country will result in more patients. Which means that the people now helping me, and the thousands like them all over the nation, will soon have more patients than they can handle. These people — who are leaving their own families behind every day to help other people’s mothers, fathers, children and grandparents — will be asked to do even more.

For me, things did start to turn around as the drugs did their work. My fever broke a day ago and my most recent chest X-ray shows signs of improvement. I am feeling better. I feel confident that I will hug my wife and daughter again, even though plenty of quarantining will remain for each of us — their health has been fine, thankfully — after I am discharged. I know how fortunate I am, thanks to the support of my family, friends and employer — and most crucially, having health insurance. I also know the country has only begun to contend with this crisis.
I’m also lucky to have had such excellent caretakers, who help me sit up and eat and bathe and rest and heal, all the while telling me how much they are praying for me. We cannot do enough for these people, who are selflessly performing the world’s most important work. They are saving our lives. They have saved mine.

As this crisis intensifies, we must think about how to make their lives easier, whether through direct bonus payments, student loan and debt forgiveness, free groceries, free child care or all of the above (or something else entirely). We must mobilize American industry to expand our medical infrastructure. People are conducting sewing drives to make masks for health care workers. That’s sweet and noble, but why aren’t companies like Proctor & Gamble churning them out by the millions? I saw a TV ad that said Ford will work with lessees affected by the coronavirus. Great. Now why don’t you get going on a few hundred thousand ventilators?
And of course, we must expand testing as rapidly as possible.
This is a national health emergency, and we must treat it with the seriousness it deserves. We must listen to the health professionals. And we must do everything we can to help them save us.
The longest post I have ever actually read on here.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying that the majority of deaths are NOT from the virus itself but because they had "underlying conditions" the virus weakened them and they were going to die anyway from their original complaint? So these deaths are collateral damage as far as the powers that be are concerned? Where does this sort of thinking originate? Presume you have read this somewhere ; could you kindly point me in the direction of it....thank you
Sorry about your experiences with sorting out income..hope it's resolved quickly for you.

No, sorry I didn't mean it like that.

My point was the virus - on the whole - is impacting people who have weakened immune systems (for whatever reason) worse. That's just as a rule of thumb and obviously there are exceptions but I'd imagine 4/5 people who end up in hospital from this have weakened immune systems, maybe because they have an underlying condition or they are simply elderly.

There's obviously then that 1/5 who doesn't have conditions but still ends up in hospital.

Most people who have had this seem to either be unaware they have had it, or have said that it's awful for 2-3 days and then by day 5-6 they have recovered.

And thanks for the kind words on the income stuff. It pale's in comparison to getting the thing, I know!
 
Wow that’s incredible. Not one story I’ve read from a member of the general public around the world so far have they had immediate help/tests/diagnosis.

Yeah, I think it probably "helped" that the fellow lived in a rural area and caught the virus early-on. The hospital up in rural New York State wasn't overflowing with patients. I can only imagine the horror of catching this at "apex" crisis time in a large densely-packed urban environment with a way-over-capacity hospital. Reading about the amount of care that just one patient requires (chest x-rays, shots of blood thinner, constant monitoring) really drives home the point about how our hospitals operate on razor thin margins of care.
 
No, sorry I didn't mean it like that.

My point was the virus - on the whole - is impacting people who have weakened immune systems (for whatever reason) worse. That's just as a rule of thumb and obviously there are exceptions but I'd imagine 4/5 people who end up in hospital from this have weakened immune systems, maybe because they have an underlying condition or they are simply elderly.

There's obviously then that 1/5 who doesn't have conditions but still ends up in hospital.

Most people who have had this seem to either be unaware they have had it, or have said that it's awful for 2-3 days and then by day 5-6 they have recovered.

And thanks for the kind words on the income stuff. It pale's in comparison to getting the thing, I know!
If that's the case why did a young lady aged 22 yes old die with it without complications.......
 
Sorry for repeating myself, but the only remaining pot of money big enough globally is the offshore holdings.

The alternative is taking on extra debt, and increasing taxes to pay for servicing that rather than the improvements in public healthcare systems that will be required (and demanded) after this.

Any government who does the latter really cannot be surprised when it ends up collectively swinging from lamp-posts.
Not a hope of any government going after offshore holdings.
 
The air is cleaner in the big cities .....but reduced aeroplane flights is not being factored in the stats ...just cars .....it's bound to help though either way ......yetho es now occupied using gas etc must be higher in output of self isolation etc plus lock down etc....
View from near where I live in Central France yesterday morning.
Usually at that time the sky is full of contrails. Many of the flights from North Europe to Spain go over here. Wonderful to see the clear skies.81908
 
This really has been the biggest noticeable change down here - the view from my balcony is much clearer, and even walking along the Thames its noticeable when looking at the other side. To use technobabble for a bit its like London has been in HD all week.

It's even noticeable up here tbf.

More the noise pollution than anything else but my dad who does a lot of cycling has mentioned how the air quality is better.

I still have real doubts over all this and how it started and the impacts going forward because it's changed the world and now how people behave - not just common courtesy, but people standing two-metres apart like some robots, even though I know it's needed - in a matter of days.

But if it is natural, which I think it is, sometimes you have to kind of think nature has its way of sorting stuff out.

Hopefully there will be some positives from all of this and taking care of the planet more might be one. Though going off China's example, where pollution has returned again, it's probably not gonna.

Though another positive in terms of right now with the cleaner air, even in the major cities, is that hopefully that means fewer people are at risk of getting seriously affected.

I know it might sound a bit daft but if you have cleaner air to breathe in then it's better to help you cope with a respiratory illness than breathing in pollution, isn't it.
 
Not a hope of any government going after offshore holdings.

@tsubaki taxes will be higher for every single person after this unfortunately

Even if this government decided to go after the richest more - which they may or may not do, but probably won't - it's the people that'll end up paying for it in the end.
 
Yeah calm down. You have taken what I have said and ran in a completely different direction there.

Your wife isn't exactly the same as a call centre transferring calls all day , or a coder typing codes in all day into a computer is she?

Times are worrying enough as it is, without you trying to find things to get heated about.

Unless you actually do think someone sat in an office putting numbers from a giant textbook all day is the same heroic sort of work as someone saving lives right now , and generally every day in their role.
Why don't you just clap with one hand and move on.
 
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