Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[verreauxi]

View from near where I live in Central France yesterday morning.
Usually at that time the sky is full of contrails. Many of the flights from North Europe to Spain go over here. Wonderful to see the clear skies.View attachment 81908

Never really thought of the lack of airplanes in the sky, but you are correct; even where I live--2 hours outside of Washington DC and under a major flight path of planes heading West--there are no planes in the sky! Usually there about 2-3 planes every 15 minutes way way way up in the sky. I just checked and nothing! (edit: okay, there are still some, but far fewer).

 

[BlueToff]

If that's the case why did a young lady aged 22 yes old die with it without complications.......

As I said Joey, there are exceptions to the rule.

This 22-year-old may have been a smoker? Is that known? She may not have been. She may have been in perfect health. I don't know. It's sad.

But yes, there will be definite exceptions. On the whole, though, if your immune system is in no way compromised you'll be able to fight this off without needing to go to the hospital and some people (in fact, some experts have suggested quite a lot of people) who have this won't even know they have had it because it might simply be a day of feeling a bit groggy. It impacts everyone in different ways.

 

[Tipp blue]

Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying that the majority of deaths are NOT from the virus itself but because they had "underlying conditions" the virus weakened them and they were going to die anyway from their original complaint? So these deaths are collateral damage as far as the powers that be are concerned? Where does this sort of thinking originate? Presume you have read this somewhere ; could you kindly point me in the direction of it....thank you
Sorry about your experiences with sorting out income..hope it's resolved quickly for you.

It is the underlying conditions that is causing most deaths but it's being called death from covid 19.. for example if someone has flu and has a heart attack the cause of death is heart attack, but if someone has Covid 19 and has a heart attack the cause of death is Covid 19. There was a man in Germany who had a heart attack and died he was later found to be positive for covid 19 and that went down as his cause of death. I have no idea why anyone who dies with covid 19 is classed as dying from covid 19 when this method is not used with any other disease.

A Swiss Doctor on Covid-19 (14 March 2020)

A Swiss medical doctor provided the following information on the current situation in order to enable our readers to make a realistic risk assessment.

swprs.org

 

[Tipp blue]

If that's the case why did a young lady aged 22 yes old die with it without complications.......

She died without a known underlying illness, there's a chance she may have had an unknown underlying illness, like the 21 year old in Spain that died only for it to be found post death that he had leukemia.

 

[roydo]

It is the underlying conditions that is causing most deaths but it's being called death from covid 19.. for example if someone has flu and has a heart attack the cause of death is heart attack, but if someone has Covid 19 and has a heart attack the cause of death is Covid 19. There was a man in Germany who had a heart attack and died he was later found to be positive for covid 19 and that went down as his cause of death. I have no idea why anyone who dies with covid 19 is classed as dying from covid 19 when this method is not used with any other disease.

A Swiss Doctor on Covid-19 (14 March 2020)

A Swiss medical doctor provided the following information on the current situation in order to enable our readers to make a realistic risk assessment.

swprs.org

Yep.

Thank the lord that Mrs R survived her scare, but the diagnosis if she didnt would have been a Hypoxic Cardiac. But that was caused as a direct result of an extremely rare, (and slow) blockage of one lung. The reason she survived (other than the medics being ace) was the actual strength of her heart.

Seems the roles are reversed now.

 

[tsubaki]

Not a hope of any government going after offshore holdings.

That is what they think, but the political pressure after this is going to be incredible - far worse than any event of the forty-odd years of my lifetime and probably even more than the aftermath of the Second World War.

People might easily end up being asked to fork out more in taxes to pay for a worse healthcare system and to pay off an un-pay-offable mountain of debt (which will probably be owned by the same people whose money is mostly offshore), after watching tens of thousands of their friends, families and celebrities choke to death.

Governments doing that - including ours - would basically be making themselves an armchair from boxes and boxes of dynamite, then having a few cigars to celebrate afterwards whilst swigging from a bottle of turps.

 

[verreauxi]

@spectateur

Now you got me wondering about airplanes in the air. Today's flight tracker data for flights in the USA does not paint a very good picture of social-distancing and isolation. I do understand that people need to fly for work, but this amount of flights across the USA does not bode well for containment.

 

[Tipp blue]

Yep.

Thank the lord that Mrs R survived her scare, but the diagnosis if she didnt would have been a Hypoxic Cardiac. But that was caused as a direct result of an extremely rare, (and slow) blockage of one lung. The reason she survived (other than the medics being ace) was the actual strength of her heart.

Seems the roles are reversed now.

If they applied the same method for cause of death to flu as they are using for Covid 19 then flu would appear many multiples of times more deadly.

 

[Tipp blue]

@spectateur

Now you got me wondering about airplanes in the air. Today's flight tracker data for flights in the USA does not paint a very good picture of social-distancing and isolation. I do understand that people need to fly for work, but this amount of flights across the USA does not bode well for containment.

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That's almost empty sky compared to a normal day, that graph will include freight and there is a hell of alot of those over the US at any given time.

 

[roydo]

If they applied the same method for cause of death to flu as they are using for Covid 19 then flu would appear many multiples of times more deadly.

Indeed. This virus is obviously dangerous to some, unpleasant for more, and insignificant (medically) for loads. But to my untrained eye, and this sounds horrible, so far it has seemed to hasten the deaths of a lot of already pretty poorly folk as opposed to being THE SOLE cause of death.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

@spectateur

Now you got me wondering about airplanes in the air. Today's flight tracker data for flights in the USA does not paint a very good picture of social-distancing and isolation. I do understand that people need to fly for work, but this amount of flights across the USA does not bode well for containment.

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That does not indicate that they are in flight though, they could all be sitting on runways.

(Apart from the ones over the sea of course).

 

[RAFUH]

Yeah, I think it probably "helped" that the fellow lived in a rural area and caught the virus early-on. The hospital up in rural New York State wasn't overflowing with patients. I can only imagine the horror of catching this at "apex" crisis time in a large densely-packed urban environment with a way-over-capacity hospital. Reading about the amount of care that just one patient requires (chest x-rays, shots of blood thinner, constant monitoring) really drives home the point about how our hospitals operate on razor thin margins of care.

The length of stay. Hospitals plan on short stays to keep beds, vents, staffing available.

 

[Tramps_mate]

It is the underlying conditions that is causing most deaths but it's being called death from covid 19.. for example if someone has flu and has a heart attack the cause of death is heart attack, but if someone has Covid 19 and has a heart attack the cause of death is Covid 19. There was a man in Germany who had a heart attack and died he was later found to be positive for covid 19 and that went down as his cause of death. I have no idea why anyone who dies with covid 19 is classed as dying from covid 19 when this method is not used with any other disease.

A Swiss Doctor on Covid-19 (14 March 2020)

A Swiss medical doctor provided the following information on the current situation in order to enable our readers to make a realistic risk assessment.

swprs.org

Like you say, there had been very few deaths from Covid19, but many deaths because of it.

 

[Tramps_mate]

@spectateur

Now you got me wondering about airplanes in the air. Today's flight tracker data for flights in the USA does not paint a very good picture of social-distancing and isolation. I do understand that people need to fly for work, but this amount of flights across the USA does not bode well for containment.

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Likely 95% or more of those are freight...

 

[verreauxi]

Likely 95% or more of those are freight...

Ah...good point! (edit: just checked again, and the majority are commercial flights...though no info is given on # travelers, but they are passenger flights).

I got the info from here: https://flightaware.com/live/
And you can click on any plane and get the flight info.